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From: "George Irvine" <George-Irvine@em*.ne*>
To: "terry michael" <OEA51@go*.co*>, "pina" <pina3@be*.ne*>
Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: HOSE STUFFER!
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:56:52 -0400
Terry, the NACD and CDS are nothing but collections of trailer trash goobers
who are trying to make a living teaching cave diving.  Both organizations
are run by instructors and most of the members of each are instructors.

The gear configs these guys use are too stupid to discuss.

----- Original Message -----
From: "terry michael" <OEA51@go*.co*>
To: "George Irvine" <George-Irvine@em*.ne*>; "pina" <pina3@be*.ne*>
Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:48 PM
Subject: HOSE STUFFER!


> I heard that the president of NACD is a hose stuffer! Is that true? The
"recreational cave diver" is a red neck N. Florida idea in my opinion that
was exported to Mexico for profit$$ THE CAVES AND ENVIRONMENT GETS F*CKED
people get killed and you guys sell dive products.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "George Irvine"<George-Irvine@em*.ne*>
> To: "pina"<pina3@be*.ne*>, "Brad, Jen, and Sam"<bjs539@ho*.co*>
> Cc: "Techdiver"<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Sun Jun 17 01:42:13 PDT 2001
> Subject: Re: don't be silly....was....RE: Advice on NACD?
>
> >The only thing you need for an NACD course is a checkbook and two days.
It is a joke. The "instructors" do not themselves do any real diving ,
whereas the GUE guys do, and the majority of them are going to run you
through bullshit dives as fast as they can so they can get on back to the
trailer for Miller Time.
> >
> >The one thing you can get from the NACD is a card, no matter how much of
a clusterfuck you are, so if you can not pass the walk and chew gum test, go
to the NACD. If you are a real basket case, go to the CDS.
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: pina
> >  To: Brad, Jen, and Sam
> >  Cc: Techdiver
> >  Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:29 PM
> >  Subject: don't be silly....was....RE: Advice on NACD?
> >
> >
> >  That is silly.
> >
> >  Here is the link to the GUE Cave 1 course:
> >  http://www.gue.com/classroom/standards/gue_cave1_student.pdf
> >
> >  You do not need any prior cave/cavern training for this course, and if
you have had any they will just have to un-train all the bad habits you have
developed, and straighten the bad gear advice you received from other
instructors.
> >
> >  Just get the proper training the first time.
> >
> >  --pina
> >    -----Original Message-----
> >    From: Brad, Jen, and Sam [mailto:bjs539@ho*.co*]
> >    Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:13 PM
> >    To: Techdiver List
> >    Subject: Advice on NACD?
> >
> >
> >    Hello all-
> >    I am wanting to learn the right way to do cave dives. This is
obviously going to be GUE, but I don't think I am ready for GUE yet, as I
have no other cave/cavern training. I have been thinking about doing the
NACD courses to help prepare me for the GUE courses, but wanted to get the
general concensus as to how well put together the NACD course really is.
Thanks in advance for any advice I can get!!
> >
> >    Brad
>
>
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