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From: "Michael Barnette" <aocfishman@ho*.co*>
To: se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*, FLTechDiver@mikey.net,
     vbtech@ci*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: AUE weekend dive report - part two
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:37:31
Hi "SS"-
1.  It is not currently illegal to "loot" wrecks over here that are a) 
abandoned in the EEZ (i.e., not in state waters); b) not Naval warships; and 
c) subject to other extenuating circumstances (e.g., wrecksite that has been 
awarded a salvage contract).  This is just a brief and very basic overview.  
I am sure others on these lists could offer more detailed information should 
you desire it.

Some states permit artifact collection; some do not.  Some states actually 
work with divers to better document archaelogical sites that would otherwise 
be overlooked by the few state/university archaelogists due to lack of time, 
funds, and personnel.  South Carolina is one state that comes to mind as 
having a good established program.

2.  Objects immersed in seawater are subject to chemical reactions.  Removal 
from seawater and exposure to air can lead to strange things that can 
destabilize and compromise the integrity of glass, ceramic, wood, or metal 
artifacts.  Therefore they must be conserved to stabilize the object.  In 
this case, one must remove the chlorides (salts) in order to prevent the 
formation of hydrochloric acid and basic cupric chloride that occurs in the 
presence of moisture and oxygen.  Electrolytic reduction or simply soaking 
the bell in freshwater for an extended period of time will allow the 
absorbed chlorides (salts) to leach out.  Again, this is just a brief and 
very basic overview.

3.  The artifact does not *need* to be in a private collection, but in this 
case it is part of a private collection.  Do you actually think that all 
artifacts that are in the possession of various museums are displayed for 
the public?  Care to guess the percentage that are not accessible and "boxed 
away in a basement?"  Unfortunately, economics and space availability are 
real issues that museums must deal with.

Regards,
Mike


>From: "ASC" <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>
>To: "Michael Barnette" <aocfishman@ho*.co*>, <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>,   
>      <vbtech@ci*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Subject: Re: AUE weekend dive report - part two
>Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:58:30 -0400
>
>Just to let you know where I'm coming from, it is illegal to loot wrecks
>here.  This weekend I was on a wreck that gets dived much more often than
>the wreck you guys did.  Divers have moved pottery from inside the wreck
>onto the deck so that everyone could see it.  Unfortunately there are still
>dickheads here.  Someone recently removed a littly brass plate from one of
>the boilers which stated the manufacturer.  Currently there is a $1000
>reward for anyone providing info that leads to successful prosecution of 
>his
>sorry ass.
>
>Anyway, I have 2 questions:
>What does "[the artifacts] are currently being conserved" mean?
>Why does the bell have to be in a private collection for your
>book/documentary?
>
>ss
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Barnette <aocfishman@ho*.co*>
>To: <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>; <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>;
><vbtech@ci*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:57 AM
>Subject: Re: AUE weekend dive report - part two
>
>
> > Hi "SS"-
> > No, the artifacts will not "rot in a box in a basement."  They are
>currently
> > being conserved and will be documented in an upcoming book and on our
> > webpage.  Pictures will also be sent to the German shipping company for
> > their archives.  As the wreck is not historically significant, I can't
> > imagine a museum accepting the artifacts regardless whether or not the
> > individual who recovered the bell would be willing to donate it.
> > I am not going to get into a debate over artifact collection.
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > >From: "ASC" <se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*>
> > >To: "Michael Barnette" <aocfishman@ho*.co*>, 
><FLTechDiver@mikey.net>,
> > >      <vbtech@ci*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >Subject: Re: AUE weekend dive report - part two
> > >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:40:03 -0400
> > >
> > >Mike,
> > >
> > >Is the bell and other artifacts being donated to a museum, or are they
> > >going
> > >to rot in a box in a basement?
> > >
> > >ss
> >
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