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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C0E866.39680340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, Why in the hell are you wasting so much bandwidth defending the stupid = and ridiculous???? If you think that a buddy wouldn't have saved Tony that you deserve all = the lumps you take on these forums... Every time we see a solo fatality = we hear the same tired arguments from the same old crowd.. Blah, blah, balh... We don't know if two would have been dead instead = of one.. That's just plain and simple nonsense... If Tony was such a heroic pioneer as you seem to be making the case for, = is it your opinion that such a student of the game wasn't qualified to = pick a suitable buddy when testing a homemade rebreather on a wreck = dive???? It's obvious he made many, many bad choices in his diving but wasn't he = capable of picking a buddy that could have donated air when his = self-made contraption fell apart at depth??? You're continuing a battle that is self-evident to everyone other than = then hardened East Coast wreck diving strokes that are dropping like = flies.. And before you get on your high and all-mighty NE coast defense = I was born and raised in NY and I had to put up with all the *good old = boy* network on my first trip on the Doria.. I heard all the noise = until I let them know I was a New Yorker.. You and Danny should spend = less time arguing in Esquire and defending stupidity here on these lists = and spend more time concentrating on not killing off your customer = base... Later ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wahoodiver@ao*.co*=20 To: MHK ; MHK ; Trey ; Wahoodiver@ao*.co* ; plewitsch@ya*.co* ; = quest@gu*.co* ; techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Another NE wreck death 1) Perhaps having a buddy would have saved Tony Maffatone or he may = have=20 killedboth of them. or the buddy may have tried to help and been = unsuccessful=20 . We still do not know what caused him to have to cut off his gear and = make a=20 freeassent, some failure in the regulators he made himself, equipment=20 failure, poordesign a broken fin strap. We will never know, since he = chose to=20 dive alone andleave behind his buddy.=20 As you know because of this and other incidents I think that FFM are=20 notsuitable for diving on scuba (as opposed to surface supply and = tender and=20 comms) in the ocean at the depths we frequent , because of the=20 increasedconsumption rate of the gas supply and the added difficulty = of=20 switching gas orsharing air , and the inability to breath at the = surface =20 once the airsupply is exhausted due to the difficulty of removing the = mask .=20 Tony's and others gas-switching blocks are attempts to get around = several=20 ofthese problems that are better avoided by using face masks and = separate=20 gassupplies.=20 As to the insistence of some people on the Internet bulletin boards = that=20 Buddydiving is the only proper and correct way.=20 And their inference that dive boat operators, and owners of shore = diving=20 sitescoerce requiring and force people to dive in mismatched buddy = teams.=20 Not only do I disagree that diving with a buddy ensures safety, or = even=20 alwaysreduces risk. What about the buddy team in Ginnie spring many = years=20 ago. Divingtogether both dead, when found one wasout of air the other = died=20 from being stabbed about 1967. What about to dive team in 92 on the = USS=20 SanDiego when found dead showed the diveteam struggled between = themselves=20 when one was out of air and the other hadsome, but both were found = dead 30=20 feet from there entrance.=20 But such Attempts at coercion are cumbersome, futile, and impossible=20 toenforce. As many divers put it =E2=80=9CSAME DAY SAME OCEAN=E2=80=9D = or it could be same=20 cavesame day see ya later.=20 Dive with a buddy or not and accept the responsibility, risks and=20 consequencesof your choice.=20 Here a couple of answers to your statements. You were not smart enough = to=20 askquestions, so I will address them as assumptions on your part, with = your=20 lackof knowledge about the man and his equipment and our environment.=20 =C2=B7 1 you stated he madea piloting error, like = switching to the=20 wrong gas from that ridiculouslyconvoluted switching block. You have = never=20 seen the block or know howit works, your first mistake.=20 =C2=B7 2 , You stated,"or entanglement from = having a=20 needlessly cumbersome and bulky rig." But I said otherwise. For = Tony the=20 rig in the water was notcumbersome, it swam very well, as good as = double=20 104=E2=80=99s.=20 =C2=B7 3 You said " Your post suggests a = profounddesign flaw=20 compounded by sloppy testing-in short, a habit of = mentalmistakes." =20 Where did I say this, maybe what=E2=80=99s I=E2=80=99m saying yournot = hearing. As for=20 sloppy testing and design Tony and this is the simpleversion so you = can=20 understand it. Tony Gathered together machinist, equipmentdesigner and = other=20 people to include Bev Morgan and ran past them his drawingand ideas, = he redid=20 his plans and made several mockups starting with newdrawing, then a = model=20 from wood then a stainless steel model And then the finalworking model = he=20 could dive. This took about 3 years. Tony was not afraid tospend money = to get=20 knowledge.=20 =C2=B7 4 you wrote =E2=80=9CEven worsethan that, they = killed him in a way=20 which could have been prevented had Tonyproperly tested his rig on his = pool=20 dives-like swimming his rig at differentfill pressures to test trim = and=20 buoyancy=E2=80=9D Tony worked on every detail ofhis equipment = and before test=20 diving the equipment he fitted and had to don theequipment more time = than you=20 have every gotten into your gear in your entiredive career, And I even = know=20 you or how long you diving, in one night I visitedhim and I started = counting=20 how many time he donned this equipment after I waswith him for two = hours, my=20 count was 31 times, not counting the many times hedonned the rig = before I=20 started counting. He spent several hours a day forweeks testing the = rig in a=20 pool in East Hampton. Then when he thought the rigwas ready to dive he = started diving the rig from the beach off Shelter Islandduring the = winter=20 from December 1999 through May 2000and logged 105 dives andafter each = dive=20 wrote detailed notes on every aspect of the dive and how theequipment = faired,=20 and made changes as he went along.=20 =C2=B7 5 =E2=80=9COr trying the EXO upsidedown to see = how it would behave=20 before ridding himself ofthe one piece ofredundancy (his second) which = would=20 have saved his life (other than a buddy, ofcourse).=E2=80=9D Tony did = try his EXO=20 upside down and even designeda full flow high-pressure failure system = in his=20 mask. But which I see you don=E2=80=99tknow much about FMM especially = without a neck=20 dam which he didn=E2=80=99t use, whenkeeping the EXO or any FMM upside = down for an=20 extended time water will tricklein and fill the mask because = there=E2=80=99s no way=20 to clear it upside down, notcounting your monkey masks, you can blame = Bev=20 Morgan for that design flaw. I=E2=80=99msure you=E2=80=99re much = smarter than Bev and his=20 engineers.=20 =C2=B7 6 We wont discussdive buddy, it=E2=80=99s clear = you have know idea=20 that buddies can kill you when theyare in distress, you might call it = panic.=20 Have you ever been attackedunderwater? and I don=E2=80=99t mean = attacked underwater=20 at 130=E2=80=99, I don=E2=80=99t mean havingsomeone asking for gas or = grabbing your=20 regulator. I mean violently attacked, Ihave, you have to fight for = your life=20 to get my equipment back, when they panicthey grab at anything and = every=20 piece of equipment including ripping off yourmask grabbing and = punching at=20 you just because they want your air and don=E2=80=99tcare if you = don=E2=80=99t have any. The=20 guy that did it to me was having and anxietyattack we both survived = thank=20 GOD, by the way he wasn=E2=80=99t my buddy just anotherdiver seeing me = underwater.=20 =C2=B7 7 ,. =E2=80=9C No disrespectintended, but Tony was the = type of=20 pioneer/inventor who jumps off hisroof with an umbrella in his hand = trying to=20 refine the parachute. Steveand Sheck were pioneers of a very = different sort=20 .=E2=80=9D BULLSHIT your stupidity is showing, you may think = you know enough=20 to make these statements and youdon=E2=80=99t you are just babbling to = be heard with=20 no understanding of what when onwith the design and building or = testing=20 stages of Tony rig. You assume becauseI gave some minor details of = Tony=E2=80=99s=20 death like you knew everything, My postwasn=E2=80=99t intended to be a = complete=20 investigative report. As for Sheck and Stevethey are dead also, both = were=20 good at what they did, Sheck was at leastwith a BUDDY! There will = always be=20 questions about all there deaths. To badGeorge hasn=E2=80=99t gotten = on his band=20 wagon about them, to close to home!!!!!!=20 =C2=B7 8 =E2=80=9CMy point is not to defameTony or inflict pain = on others. My=20 point, and those of many others here,is to strip away the soppy = pabulum; and=20 distill lessons from Tony=E2=80=99sloss. Anything short of that is to = invite the=20 next needless tragedy.=E2=80=9D Suresound like you are! Lets just say = you just want=20 to be noticedby defaming Tony and sucking up to the DIR guys and going = along=20 with keepingyour mouth shut about Steve death, didn=E2=80=99t Steve = know what a buddy=20 was? And if Iremember correctly Steve and Bernie Chowdury made several = Doria=20 dives from myboat, starting with a 200 foot penetration dive into the = Doria=20 using cave linewith no tie offs and survived, they hung there lives on = a=20 piece of string for two hundred feet of rustingsharp steel, I guess = that=20 makes it=E2=80=99s DIR they came back. Looks likebreaking the rules is = OK, as long as=20 you don=E2=80=99t get caught or die. George breaksthe rules he set for = others, but he=20 says do as I say not what I do.=20 =C2=B7 What is an inventor, in case youdon=E2=80=99t know, = Author, maker,=20 architect, creator, originator, discoverer. Have youeven done anything = original? Or maybe you bent a =E2=80=9CD=E2=80=9D ring or modified a = strapand tell everyone=20 you have modified your equipment. Your entire dive equipmentis store = bought?=20 I=E2=80=99ll bet, because all your equipment comes from = themanufacturers you think=20 there aren=E2=80=99t inherent flaws wake up just look at thecall backs = and what we=20 never find out. Look at George and his scooter heresigned, should he = just=20 stuck with the manufactures versions, no it wasn=E2=80=99t upto the = diving they were=20 doing. Tony also modified his Farrallon scooter,24 incheslonger bigger = batteries redesigned electronics for deeper diving. Where wouldyou be = without=20 PADI or YMCA, where you take your first course? Was it a DIRbasic?=20 =C2=B7 Captain Steve Bielenda=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C0E866.39680340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steve,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why in the hell are you wasting so much = bandwidth=20 defending the stupid and ridiculous????</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you think that a buddy wouldn't have = saved Tony=20 that you deserve all the lumps you take on these forums... Every = time we=20 see a solo fatality we hear the same tired arguments from the same old=20 crowd..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Blah, blah, balh... We don't know = if two=20 would have been dead instead of one..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That's just plain and simple=20 nonsense...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If Tony was such a heroic pioneer as = you seem to be=20 making the case for, is it your opinion that such a student of the game = wasn't=20 qualified to pick a suitable buddy when testing a homemade rebreather on = a wreck=20 dive????</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's obvious he made many, many bad = choices in his=20 diving but wasn't he capable of picking a buddy that could have donated = air when=20 his self-made contraption fell apart at depth???</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're continuing a battle that is = self-evident to=20 everyone other than then hardened East Coast wreck diving strokes that = are=20 dropping like flies.. And before you get on your high and = all-mighty NE=20 coast defense I was born and raised in NY and I had to put up with all = the *good=20 old boy* network on my first trip on the Doria.. I heard all the = noise=20 until I let them know I was a New Yorker.. You and Danny should = spend less=20 time arguing in Esquire and defending stupidity here on these lists and = spend=20 more time concentrating on not killing off your customer = base...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DWahoodiver@ao*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*">Wahoodiver@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3D'":mh=C2=BB????????????'=20 href=3D'mailto:":mh=C2=BB????????????'>MHK</A> ; <A = title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20 href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A = title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; <A = title=3DWahoodiver@ao*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*">Wahoodiver@aol.com</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dplewitsch@ya*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*">plewitsch@yahoo.com</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dquest@gu*.co* href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> = ; <A=20 title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 5:05 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Another NE wreck = death</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>1) = Perhaps=20 having a buddy would have saved Tony Maffatone or he may have = <BR>killedboth=20 of them. or the buddy may have tried to help and been unsuccessful = <BR>. We=20 still do not know what caused him to have to cut off his gear and make = a=20 <BR>freeassent, some failure in the regulators he made himself, = equipment=20 <BR>failure, poordesign a broken fin strap. We will never know, since = he chose=20 to <BR>dive alone andleave behind his buddy. <BR><BR>As you know = because of=20 this and other incidents I think that FFM are <BR>notsuitable for = diving on=20 scuba (as opposed to surface supply and tender and <BR>comms) in = the=20 ocean at the depths we frequent , because of the=20 <BR>increasedconsumption rate of the gas supply and the added = difficulty of=20 <BR>switching gas orsharing air , and the inability to breath at the = surface=20 <BR>once the airsupply is exhausted due to the difficulty of = removing=20 the mask . <BR><BR>Tony's and others gas-switching blocks are attempts = to get=20 around several <BR>ofthese problems that are better avoided by using = face=20 masks and separate <BR>gassupplies. <BR><BR>As to the insistence of = some=20 people on the Internet bulletin boards that <BR>Buddydiving is the = only proper=20 and correct way. <BR><BR>And their inference that dive boat operators, = and=20 owners of shore diving <BR>sitescoerce requiring and force people to = dive in=20 mismatched buddy teams. <BR><BR>Not only do I disagree that diving = with a=20 buddy ensures safety, or even <BR>alwaysreduces risk. What about the = buddy=20 team in Ginnie spring many years <BR>ago. Divingtogether both dead, = when=20 found one wasout of air the other died <BR>from being stabbed about = 1967.=20 What about to dive team in 92 on the USS <BR>SanDiego when found = dead=20 showed the diveteam struggled between themselves <BR>when one = was out of=20 air and the other hadsome, but both were found dead 30 <BR>feet from = there=20 entrance. <BR><BR>But such Attempts at coercion are cumbersome, = futile, and=20 impossible <BR>toenforce. As many divers put it =E2=80=9CSAME DAY SAME = OCEAN=E2=80=9D or it=20 could be same <BR>cavesame day see ya later. <BR><BR>Dive with a buddy = or not=20 and accept the responsibility, risks and <BR>consequencesof your = choice.=20 <BR><BR><BR><BR>Here a couple of answers to your statements. You were = not=20 smart enough to <BR>askquestions, so I will address them as = assumptions on=20 your part, with your <BR>lackof knowledge about the man and his = equipment and=20 our environment. <BR><BR>=C2=B7 = 1=20 you stated he = madea=20 piloting error, like switching to the <BR>wrong gas from that=20 ridiculouslyconvoluted switching block. You have never <BR>seen the = block or=20 know howit works, your first mistake. <BR>=C2=B7=20 2=20 , You=20 stated,"or entanglement from having a <BR>needlessly = cumbersome and=20 bulky rig." But I said otherwise. For Tony the <BR>rig in the = water=20 was notcumbersome, it swam very well, as good as double = <BR>104=E2=80=99s. <BR>=C2=B7=20 3 You said=20 " Your post suggests a=20 profounddesign flaw <BR>compounded by sloppy testing-in short, a habit = of=20 mentalmistakes." <BR>Where did I say this, maybe = what=E2=80=99s I=E2=80=99m=20 saying yournot hearing. As for <BR>sloppy testing and design Tony and = this is=20 the simpleversion so you can <BR>understand it. Tony Gathered together = machinist, equipmentdesigner and other <BR>people to include Bev = Morgan and=20 ran past them his drawingand ideas, he redid <BR>his plans and made = several=20 mockups starting with newdrawing, then a model <BR>from wood then a = stainless=20 steel model And then the finalworking model he <BR>could dive. This = took about=20 3 years. Tony was not afraid tospend money to get <BR>knowledge. = <BR>=C2=B7=20 4=20 you wrote = =E2=80=9CEven worsethan=20 that, they killed him in a way <BR>which could have been prevented had = Tonyproperly tested his rig on his pool <BR>dives-like swimming his = rig at=20 differentfill pressures to test trim and <BR>buoyancy=E2=80=9D=20 Tony worked on every detail = ofhis=20 equipment and before test <BR>diving the equipment he fitted and had = to don=20 theequipment more time than you <BR>have every gotten into your gear = in your=20 entiredive career, And I even know <BR>you or how long you diving, in = one=20 night I visitedhim and I started counting <BR>how many time he donned = this=20 equipment after I waswith him for two hours, my <BR>count was 31 = times, not=20 counting the many times hedonned the rig before I <BR>started = counting. He=20 spent several hours a day forweeks testing the rig in a <BR>pool in = East=20 Hampton. Then when he thought the rigwas ready to dive he <BR>started = diving=20 the rig from the beach off Shelter Islandduring the winter <BR>from = December=20 1999 through May 2000and logged 105 dives andafter each dive <BR>wrote = detailed notes on every aspect of the dive and how theequipment = faired,=20 <BR>and made changes as he went along. <BR>=C2=B7=20 5=20 =E2=80=9COr trying the = EXO upsidedown=20 to see how it would behave <BR>before ridding himself ofthe one piece=20 ofredundancy (his second) which would <BR>have saved his life (other = than a=20 buddy, ofcourse).=E2=80=9D Tony did try his EXO <BR>upside down = and even=20 designeda full flow high-pressure failure system in his <BR>mask. But = which I=20 see you don=E2=80=99tknow much about FMM especially without a neck = <BR>dam which he=20 didn=E2=80=99t use, whenkeeping the EXO or any FMM upside down for an = <BR>extended=20 time water will tricklein and fill the mask because there=E2=80=99s no = way <BR>to=20 clear it upside down, notcounting your monkey masks, you can blame Bev = <BR>Morgan for that design flaw. I=E2=80=99msure you=E2=80=99re much = smarter than Bev and his=20 <BR>engineers. <BR>=C2=B7 6=20 We wont = discussdive=20 buddy, it=E2=80=99s clear you have know idea <BR>that buddies can kill = you when=20 theyare in distress, you might call it panic. <BR>Have you ever = been=20 attackedunderwater? and I don=E2=80=99t mean attacked underwater = <BR>at 130=E2=80=99, I don=E2=80=99t=20 mean havingsomeone asking for gas or grabbing your <BR>regulator. I = mean=20 violently attacked, Ihave, you have to fight for your life <BR>to get = my=20 equipment back, when they panicthey grab at anything and every = <BR>piece of=20 equipment including ripping off yourmask grabbing and punching at = <BR>you just=20 because they want your air and don=E2=80=99tcare if you don=E2=80=99t = have any. The <BR>guy=20 that did it to me was having and anxietyattack we both survived thank = <BR>GOD,=20 by the way he wasn=E2=80=99t my buddy just anotherdiver seeing me = underwater.=20 <BR><BR>=C2=B7 7 ,. = =E2=80=9C No=20 disrespectintended, but Tony was the type of = <BR>pioneer/inventor who=20 jumps off hisroof with an umbrella in his hand trying to <BR>refine = the=20 parachute. <B> Steveand Sheck were pioneers of a very different = sort</B>=20 <BR>.=E2=80=9D BULLSHIT your = stupidity is showing,=20 you may think you know enough <BR>to make these statements and = youdon=E2=80=99t=20 you are just babbling to be heard with <BR>no understanding of what = when=20 onwith the design and building or testing <BR>stages of Tony rig. You = assume=20 becauseI gave some minor details of Tony=E2=80=99s <BR>death like you = knew everything,=20 My postwasn=E2=80=99t intended to be a complete <BR>investigative = report. As for Sheck=20 and Stevethey are dead also, both were <BR>good at what they = did, Sheck=20 was at leastwith a BUDDY! There will always be <BR>questions about all = there=20 deaths. To badGeorge hasn=E2=80=99t gotten on his band <BR>wagon about = them, to close=20 to home!!!!!! <BR>=C2=B7 8 = =E2=80=9CMy point is=20 not to defameTony or inflict pain on others. My <BR>point, and = those of=20 many others here,is to<B> strip away the soppy pabulum; </B>and = <BR>distill=20 lessons from Tony=E2=80=99sloss. Anything short of that is to = invite the=20 <BR>next needless tragedy.=E2=80=9D <B>Suresound like you are!</B> = Lets just say=20 you just want <BR>to be noticedby defaming Tony and sucking up to the = DIR guys=20 and going along <BR>with keepingyour mouth shut about Steve death, = didn=E2=80=99t=20 Steve know what a buddy <BR>was? And if Iremember correctly Steve and = Bernie=20 Chowdury made several Doria <BR>dives from myboat, starting with a 200 = foot=20 penetration dive into the Doria <BR>using cave linewith no tie offs = and=20 survived, they hung there lives on a <BR>piece of string for two = hundred feet=20 of rustingsharp steel, I guess that <BR>makes it=E2=80=99s DIR <B>they = came back</B>.=20 Looks likebreaking the rules is OK, as long as <BR>you don=E2=80=99t = get caught or=20 die. George breaksthe rules he set for others, but he <BR>says do as I = say not=20 what I do. <BR>=C2=B7 What = is an=20 inventor, in case youdon=E2=80=99t know, Author, maker, <BR>architect, = creator,=20 originator, discoverer. Have youeven done anything <BR>original? Or = maybe you=20 bent a =E2=80=9CD=E2=80=9D ring or modified a strapand tell everyone = <BR>you have modified=20 your equipment. Your entire dive equipmentis store bought? = <B><BR>I=E2=80=99ll=20 bet</B>, because all your equipment comes from themanufacturers you = think=20 <BR>there aren=E2=80=99t inherent flaws wake up just look at thecall = backs and what we=20 <BR>never find out. Look at George and his scooter heresigned, should = he just=20 <BR>stuck with the manufactures versions, no it wasn=E2=80=99t upto = the diving they=20 were <BR>doing. Tony also modified his Farrallon scooter,24 = incheslonger=20 bigger <BR>batteries redesigned electronics for deeper diving. Where = wouldyou=20 be without <BR>PADI or YMCA, where you take your first course? Was it = a=20 DIRbasic? <BR><BR>=C2=B7 = Captain Steve=20 Bielenda</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C0E866.39680340-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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