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From: Wahoodiver@ao*.co* <Wahoodiver@ao*.co*>
To: trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>; plewitsch@ya*.co* =
<plewitsch@ya*.co*>; quest@gu*.co* <quest@gu*.co*>
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: Another NE wreck death
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Why do you have to have a buddy?=20
You don't have to have a buddy! As this guy didn't as well as Steve =
B didn't. However, the one thing that we know for sure about all the =
solo diving fatalities, is that NO-ONE knows for sure exactly what went =
wrong, because NO-ONE was there to see it. Or assist with whatever went =
wrong, possibly changing the outcome. =20
Did the video camera turn around to show this guy inflating his =
bc(showing that there where no other problems), or maybe he got tangled =
in something dropped his camera/light to deal with it(the shudder). Then =
the stress of dealing with the situation brought on the heart attack??? =
Who knows for sure??? All of us have made mistakes/choices diving at one =
time or another and are glad to still be here. A GOOD dive buddy is =
our back-up. Sometimes saving us from ourselves. I know how hard it is =
to find a GOOD dive partner. I have done dives solo, with a bad buddy =
and a good one. The ones with a good partner, are by far the best and =
most memorable. I'm sure this message will not alter the way you dive, =
but hopefully the newer people will start to understand the benefits of =
having a competent buddy vs the liability of not having a competent =
buddy, and maybe if there were more competent buddys, no-one would want =
to dive alone. As always, take care and dive safe, Bob =20
This guy had a massive heart attack and died almost instantly, =
his=20
video camera showed 22 minutes of video and a shudder and the camera =
dropped=20
along with his mounted light, he started to inflate his buoyance =
system and=20
died his light snaged into the wreck and held his body there.=20
Where was Steve Berman dive buddy? . =20
Are the rules different for different area around the world, such as =
cave, NE=20
wreck southern waters west coast or where ever?=20
This is not an argument just some information and questions.=20
Risk management is done by each diver themselves and the risk they =
are=20
willing to take when diving alone are there own or with a dive =
partner, solo=20
divers do not put others at risk.=20
You may not like it but that the facts. NE wreck diving has =
had its=20
share of diving deaths as many other areas of the world but non =
comes any=20
were near the high count of cave diving deaths around the world, =
with and=20
without there buddies.=20
=20
Captain Steve Bielenda=20
=20
In a message dated 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =
trey@ne*.co*=20
writes:=20
=20
=20
=20
Subj: RE: Another NE wreck death=20
Date: 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time=20
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)=20
To: plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), quest@gu*.co*=20
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
Paul, NE diving is a disgrace - partially due to the bullshit, =
and more due=20
to the fact that the rest of you go along with it.=20
=20
Let me ask a question, and you NE divers can get out your =
dictionary to look=20
up this word: "Where was this guy's B U D D Y ?=20
=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Paul Lewitsch [mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*]=20
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:43 PM=20
To: quest@gu*.co*=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
Subject: Another NE wreck death=20
=20
=20
Anyone know the actual situation of what happened?=20
George,you can disregard this email and hit delete. We=20
know your views on NE diving and believe it or not we=20
are working on a stroke free zone. It may take awhile=20
but you have to start somewhere.=20
=20
It "may" be safe to assume he was "solo" since there=20
is no mention of a buddy report.=20
--------------------------------------=20
Routine Outing Fatal For Diver=20
Mourning an unexplained death=20
by J. Jioni Palmer=20
Staff Writer=20
=20
David Scholl developed a passion for Long Island's=20
waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near=20
Jamaica Bay. As a youth, he'd spend countless hours=20
fishing and boating, but what he loved most of all was=20
diving deep below the ocean waves.=20
=20
That love carried through to adulthood as Scholl, 42,=20
did a four-year stint in the Navy and worked part time=20
at a diving-gear shop in Mineola. He seized every=20
opportunity to go out onto the water, even=20
volunteering on weekends as an instructor on board the=20
dive boat the Seahawk, helping less experienced=20
aquanauts hone their skills, relatives said.=20
=20
But Saturday, while on a routine jaunt from Freeport=20
to a ship wreckage about 18 miles south of Fire Island=20
an unexplained tragedy befell Scholl that took his=20
life.=20
=20
"He was a diving fanatic," says his older brother Fred=20
of Wading River, who dives for the New York City Fire=20
Department. "His house was like a shrine; it was full=20
of artifacts he picked up diving." Saturday's accident=20
bewildered Scholl's friends and relatives, who said he=20
was an experienced diver. "If anybody got hurt, Dave=20
would be the first person to go help," said=20
stepdaughter Sarah Silverman, 27. "It's kind of=20
shocking that he'd be the one needing to get rescued."=20
Scholl had explored the wreckage of the G&D,a coastal=20
steamer that sank in 1918,more than a dozen times. He=20
had anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to the wreckage=20
about 110 feet below the surface on the sandy ocean=20
bottom and given the "all-clear sign" indicating that=20
it was safe for others to dive, his sister said.=20
=20
Not long after that, a fellow crewmember discovered=20
his lifeless body near the wreckage.=20
=20
He was brought to the surface, where the boat's crew=20
administered CPR and radioed the Coast Guard, which=20
took him by helicopter to Nassau University Medical=20
Center in East Meadow, where he was pronounced dead,=20
said Suffolk County Homicide Det. Sgt. Arthur Ahl.=20
=20
"There is no indication at this point of a crime," he=20
said, adding police were waiting for results of an=20
autopsy by the Nassau County medical examiner.=20
=20
Divers from Suffolk's Marine Bureau are expected to=20
examine the wreckage today in hopes of learning what=20
went wrong, he said.=20
=20
Scholl's relatives said they hope police recover the=20
underwater video camera he was carrying to shed light=20
on the incident.=20
=20
Grieving friends and relatives yesterday remembered=20
Scholl, who worked for the Village of Valley Stream=20
driving a recycling truck, as an affable man with a=20
generous heart who could light up a room with=20
entertaining humor.=20
=20
"He was the class clown and the family comedian," said=20
his sister Susan McBride, 48, of Rockaway Beach. "He=20
was the happy-go-lucky guy that everybody loved."=20
Scholl is survived by his companion of 10 years, Sue=20
Silverman of Long Beach; his mother, Carole, and=20
another sister, Debra; two children and four=20
stepchildren.=20
=20
A wake will be today from 7-9 p.m. and tomorrow from=20
2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m.=20
=20
at the Meserole Funeral Home in Inwood. Funeral=20
services will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. at the Lutheran=20
Church of the Incarnation in Cedarhurst, with=20
cremation following.=20
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
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<<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> <<A=20
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<<A=20
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<B>Date:=20
</B>Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:40 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re:
Another NE =
wreck=20
death<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
size=3D2>Why do you=20
have to have a buddy? </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">You=20
don't have to have a buddy! As this guy didn't as well as Steve B=20
didn't. However, the one thing that we know for sure about all =
the=20
solo diving fatalities, is that NO-ONE knows for sure exactly what =
went=20
wrong, because NO-ONE was there to see it. Or assist with whatever =
went=20
wrong, possibly changing the outcome. =20
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Did the video camera turn around to show =
this guy=20
inflating his bc(showing that there where no other problems), or =
maybe he=20
got tangled in something dropped his camera/light to deal with =
it(the=20
shudder). Then the stress of dealing with the situation brought on =
the heart=20
attack??? Who knows for sure??? All of us have made mistakes/choices =
diving=20
at one time or another and are glad to still be here. A =
GOOD=20
dive buddy is our back-up. Sometimes saving us from =
ourselves. I=20
know how hard it is to find a GOOD dive partner. I have done =
dives=20
solo, with a bad buddy and a good one. The ones with a good =
partner,=20
are by far the best and most memorable. I'm sure this message will =
not alter=20
the way you dive, but hopefully the newer people will start to =
understand the benefits of having a competent buddy vs the liability =
of not=20
having a competent buddy, and maybe if there were more competent =
buddys,=20
no-one would want to dive alone. As always, take care and dive =
safe, =20
Bob </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><FONT=20
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2> This guy =
had a massive=20
heart attack and died almost instantly, his <BR>video camera showed =
22=20
minutes of video and a shudder and the camera dropped <BR>along with =
his=20
mounted light, he started to inflate his buoyance system and =
<BR>died his=20
light snaged into the wreck and held his body there. <BR>Where was =
Steve=20
Berman dive buddy? </FONT></FONT><FONT
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT=20
size=3D2>. <BR>Are the rules different for different area =
around the=20
world, such as cave, NE <BR>wreck southern waters west coast or =
where ever?=20
<BR>This is not an argument just some information and questions. =
<BR>Risk=20
management is done by each diver themselves and the risk they are=20
<BR>willing to take when diving alone are there own or with a dive =
partner,=20
solo <BR>divers do not put others at risk.=20
<BR> You may not like it but that =
the=20
facts. NE wreck diving has had its <BR>share of diving deaths as =
many other=20
areas of the world but non comes any <BR>were near the high count of =
cave=20
diving deaths around the world, with and <BR>without there buddies.=20
<BR><BR>Captain Steve Bielenda <BR><BR>In a message dated
5/15/01 =
7:54:01 AM=20
Eastern Daylight Time, trey@ne*.co* <BR>writes: =
<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=20
TYPE =3D CITE>Subj: <B>RE: Another NE wreck death</B> <BR>Date: =
5/15/01=20
7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time <BR><I>From:=20
trey@ne*.co* (Trey) <BR>To:=20
plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), =
quest@gu*.co*=20
<BR>CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<BR></I><BR><BR><BR><BR>Paul, NE diving is a disgrace
- =
partially due to=20
the bullshit, and more due <BR>to the fact that the rest of you =
go along=20
with it. <BR><BR>Let me ask a question, and you NE divers can =
get out=20
your dictionary to look <BR>up this word: "Where was this =
guy's B U=20
D D Y ? <BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Paul =
Lewitsch=20
[mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*] <BR>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:43 =
PM=20
<BR>To: quest@gu*.co* <BR>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com =
<BR>Subject:=20
Another NE wreck death <BR><BR><BR>Anyone know the actual =
situation of=20
what happened? <BR>George,you can disregard this email and hit =
delete.=20
We <BR>know your views on NE diving and believe it or not we =
<BR>are=20
working on a stroke free zone. It may take awhile <BR>but you =
have to=20
start somewhere. <BR><BR>It "may" be safe to assume he =
was=20
"solo" since there <BR>is no mention of a buddy =
report.=20
<BR>-------------------------------------- <BR>Routine Outing =
Fatal For=20
Diver <BR>Mourning an unexplained death <BR>by J. Jioni Palmer =
<BR>Staff=20
Writer <BR><BR>David Scholl developed a passion for Long =
Island's=20
<BR>waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near =
<BR>Jamaica Bay.=20
As a youth, he'd spend countless hours <BR>fishing and boating, =
but what=20
he loved most of all was <BR>diving deep below the ocean waves.=20
<BR><BR>That love carried through to adulthood as Scholl, 42, =
<BR>did a=20
four-year stint in the Navy and worked part time <BR>at a =
diving-gear=20
shop in Mineola. He seized every <BR>opportunity to go out onto =
the=20
water, even <BR>volunteering on weekends as an instructor on =
board the=20
<BR>dive boat the Seahawk, helping less experienced =
<BR>aquanauts hone=20
their skills, relatives said. <BR><BR>But Saturday, while on a =
routine=20
jaunt from Freeport <BR>to a ship wreckage about 18 miles south =
of Fire=20
Island <BR>an unexplained tragedy befell Scholl that took his =
<BR>life.=20
<BR><BR>"He was a diving fanatic," says his older =
brother Fred=20
<BR>of Wading River, who dives for the New York City Fire=20
<BR>Department. "His house was like a shrine; it was full =
<BR>of=20
artifacts he picked up diving." Saturday's accident =
<BR>bewildered=20
Scholl's friends and relatives, who said he <BR>was an =
experienced=20
diver. "If anybody got hurt, Dave <BR>would be the first =
person to=20
go help," said <BR>stepdaughter Sarah Silverman, 27. =
"It's=20
kind of <BR>shocking that he'd be the one needing to get =
rescued."=20
<BR>Scholl had explored the wreckage of the G&D,a coastal=20
<BR>steamer that sank in 1918,more than a dozen times. He =
<BR>had=20
anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to the wreckage <BR>about 110 =
feet below=20
the surface on the sandy ocean <BR>bottom and given the =
"all-clear=20
sign" indicating that <BR>it was safe for others to dive, =
his=20
sister said. <BR><BR>Not long after that, a fellow crewmember =
discovered=20
<BR>his lifeless body near the wreckage. <BR><BR>He was
brought =
to the=20
surface, where the boat's crew <BR>administered CPR and radioed =
the=20
Coast Guard, which <BR>took him by helicopter to Nassau =
University=20
Medical <BR>Center in East Meadow, where he was pronounced dead, =
<BR>said Suffolk County Homicide Det. Sgt. Arthur Ahl.=20
<BR><BR>"There is no indication at this point of a =
crime," he=20
<BR>said, adding police were waiting for results of an =
<BR>autopsy by=20
the Nassau County medical examiner. <BR><BR>Divers from =
Suffolk's Marine=20
Bureau are expected to <BR>examine the wreckage today in hopes =
of=20
learning what <BR>went wrong, he said. <BR><BR>Scholl's =
relatives said=20
they hope police recover the <BR>underwater video camera he was =
carrying=20
to shed light <BR>on the incident. <BR><BR>Grieving friends
and=20
relatives yesterday remembered <BR>Scholl, who worked for the =
Village of=20
Valley Stream <BR>driving a recycling truck, as an affable man =
with a=20
<BR>generous heart who could light up a room with =
<BR>entertaining=20
humor. <BR><BR>"He was the class clown and the family=20
comedian," said <BR>his sister Susan McBride, 48, of =
Rockaway=20
Beach. "He <BR>was the happy-go-lucky guy that everybody=20
loved." <BR>Scholl is survived by his companion of 10 =
years, Sue=20
<BR>Silverman of Long Beach; his mother, Carole, and <BR>another =
sister,=20
Debra; two children and four <BR>stepchildren. <BR><BR>A wake =
will be=20
today from 7-9 p.m. and tomorrow from <BR>2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m.=20
<BR><BR>at the Meserole Funeral Home in Inwood. Funeral =
<BR>services=20
will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. at the Lutheran <BR>Church of the=20
Incarnation in Cedarhurst, with <BR>cremation following.=20
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