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Steve, I am not going to even read this slop - go take a PADI course. Your
bullshit is over , but it keeps on biting us all in the ass.
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From: Wahoodiver@ao*.co* [mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:56 AM
To: trey@ne*.co*; Wahoodiver@ao*.co*; plewitsch@ya*.co*;
quest@gu*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Another NE wreck death
Remember, trying to stand on the top of a sharp point give you very little
purchase.
I see you have very little patience nor can you answer a couple of
questions directly without losing you temper.
No, the last time I seen Tony Maffatone was last August when he was
stepping off the deck of my boat alone to test his equipment. Tony knew
the
risks of diving alone and only dove alone, we discussed the risks many
times,
Tony dove to invent and invented to dive. Tony designed and built all his
equipment, none store bought if it was he took it apart and redesigned it
and
made it better. Tony spent, three years building his system and 3 months
diving his new design in 15 to 30 feet of water and this dive the second
one
to 100 feet was the next stage of testing. Tony talked about equipment
failure and he tried to design every backup into his system, He had just
removed the scuba second feeling the rest of his design had all backup
needed.
From examination of the incident and equipment, there was design
fault with tank balance, if the lowest tank of the seven tanks was drained
empty and others more than half full it flipped him on his back up side
down.
The system weighs out of water 265 lbs in water 150 lbs, Tony struggled to
right himself he cut his suit legs to get the gas out and right himself
but
being upside down the XO FFM mask flooded he cut both his shoulder harness
and made a free assent, rising feet first upside down and didn't make it.
Like Berman and Exley Tony was pioneer and didn't die sitting at his
computer and talking diving.
He died following his dream, maybe not the way he say he would
choose,
but he did choose his time and place. We grieve Tony, like many will
grieve
Steve Bermans and Dave.
You only think you are in control, I hope you never lose it.
Captain Steve Bielenda
In a message dated 5/22/2001 6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
trey@ne*.co* writes:
Subj:RE: Another NE wreck death
Date: 5/22/2001 6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: Wahoodiver@ao*.co*, plewitsch@ya*.co*, quest@gu*.co*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Belinda, bullshit. Do not waste our time with your slop. You just never
learn, do you? Seen Tony Maffatone lately? Keep up the piss poor example
and the hard headed baloney.
From: Wahoodiver@ao*.co* [mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:43 PM
To: trey@ne*.co*; plewitsch@ya*.co*; quest@gu*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Another NE wreck death
Why do you have to have a buddy?
This guy had a massive heart attack and died almost instantly,
his
video camera showed 22 minutes of video and a shudder and the camera
dropped
along with his mounted light, he started to inflate his buoyance
system
and
died his light snaged into the wreck and held his body there.
Where was Steve Berman dive buddy?
Are the rules different for different area around the world, such as
cave,
NE
wreck southern waters west coast or where ever?
This is not an argument just some information and questions.
Risk management is done by each diver themselves and the risk they are
willing to take when diving alone are there own or with a dive
partner,
solo
divers do not put others at risk.
You may not like it but that the facts. NE wreck diving has had
its
share of diving deaths as many other areas of the world but non comes
any
were near the high count of cave diving deaths around the world, with
and
without there buddies.
Captain Steve Bielenda
In a message dated 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
trey@ne*.co*
writes:
Subj: RE: Another NE wreck death
Date: 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), quest@gu*.co*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Paul, NE diving is a disgrace - partially due to the bullshit, and
more
due
to the fact that the rest of you go along with it.
Let me ask a question, and you NE divers can get out your dictionary
to
look
up this word: "Where was this guy's B U D D Y ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lewitsch [mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:43 PM
To: quest@gu*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Another NE wreck death
Anyone know the actual situation of what happened?
George,you can disregard this email and hit delete. We
know your views on NE diving and believe it or not we
are working on a stroke free zone. It may take awhile
but you have to start somewhere.
It "may" be safe to assume he was "solo" since there
is no mention of a buddy report.
--------------------------------------
Routine Outing Fatal For Diver
Mourning an unexplained death
by J. Jioni Palmer
Staff Writer
David Scholl developed a passion for Long Island's
waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near
Jamaica Bay. As a youth, he'd spend countless hours
fishing and boating, but what he loved most of all was
diving deep below the ocean waves.
That love carried through to adulthood as Scholl, 42,
did a four-year stint in the Navy and worked part time
at a diving-gear shop in Mineola. He seized every
opportunity to go out onto the water, even
volunteering on weekends as an instructor on board the
dive boat the Seahawk, helping less experienced
aquanauts hone their skills, relatives said.
But Saturday, while on a routine jaunt from Freeport
to a ship wreckage about 18 miles south of Fire Island
an unexplained tragedy befell Scholl that took his
life.
"He was a diving fanatic," says his older brother Fred
of Wading River, who dives for the New York City Fire
Department. "His house was like a shrine; it was full
of artifacts he picked up diving." Saturday's accident
bewildered Scholl's friends and relatives, who said he
was an experienced diver. "If anybody got hurt, Dave
would be the first person to go help," said
stepdaughter Sarah Silverman, 27. "It's kind of
shocking that he'd be the one needing to get rescued."
Scholl had explored the wreckage of the G&D,a coastal
steamer that sank in 1918,more than a dozen times. He
had anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to the wreckage
about 110 feet below the surface on the sandy ocean
bottom and given the "all-clear sign" indicating that
it was safe for others to dive, his sister said.
Not long after that, a fellow crewmember discovered
his lifeless body near the wreckage.
He was brought to the surface, where the boat's crew
administered CPR and radioed the Coast Guard, which
took him by helicopter to Nassau University Medical
Center in East Meadow, where he was pronounced dead,
said Suffolk County Homicide Det. Sgt. Arthur Ahl.
"There is no indication at this point of a crime," he
said, adding police were waiting for results of an
autopsy by the Nassau County medical examiner.
Divers from Suffolk's Marine Bureau are expected to
examine the wreckage today in hopes of learning what
went wrong, he said.
Scholl's relatives said they hope police recover the
underwater video camera he was carrying to shed light
on the incident.
Grieving friends and relatives yesterday remembered
Scholl, who worked for the Village of Valley Stream
driving a recycling truck, as an affable man with a
generous heart who could light up a room with
entertaining humor.
"He was the class clown and the family comedian," said
his sister Susan McBride, 48, of Rockaway Beach. "He
was the happy-go-lucky guy that everybody loved."
Scholl is survived by his companion of 10 years, Sue
Silverman of Long Beach; his mother, Carole, and
another sister, Debra; two children and four
stepchildren.
A wake will be today from 7-9 p.m. and tomorrow from
2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m.
at the Meserole Funeral Home in Inwood. Funeral
services will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. at the Lutheran
Church of the Incarnation in Cedarhurst, with
cremation following.
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN =
class=3D160584101-23052001>Steve,=20
I am not going to even read this slop - go take a PADI course. Your =
bullshit is=20
over , but it keeps on biting us all in the ass.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
Wahoodiver@ao*.co* =
[mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 22, 2001
9:56 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B> trey@ne*.co*; Wahoodiver@ao*.co*; =
plewitsch@ya*.co*;=20
quest@gu*.co*<BR><B>Cc:</B>
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
Another NE wreck death<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT =
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT=20
face=3DArial lang=3D0 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Remember, trying =
to stand on the=20
top of a sharp point give you very little <BR>purchase.=20
<BR><BR> I see you have very =
little=20
patience nor can you answer a couple of <BR>questions directly without =
losing=20
you temper. <BR> No, the last time =
I seen=20
Tony Maffatone was last August when he was <BR>stepping off the deck =
of my=20
boat alone to test his equipment. Tony knew the <BR>risks of =
diving=20
alone and only dove alone, we discussed the risks many times, <BR>Tony =
dove to=20
invent and invented to dive. Tony designed and built all his=20
<BR>equipment, none store bought if it was he took it apart and =
redesigned it=20
and <BR>made it better. Tony spent, three years building his =
system and=20
3 months <BR>diving his new design in 15 to 30 feet of water and this =
dive the=20
second one <BR>to 100 feet was the next stage of testing. Tony talked =
about=20
equipment <BR>failure and he tried to design every backup into his =
system, He=20
had just <BR>removed the scuba second feeling the rest of his =
design had=20
all backup <BR>needed. <BR> From=20
examination of the incident and equipment, there was design =
<BR>fault=20
with tank balance, if the lowest tank of the seven tanks was drained =
<BR>empty=20
and others more than half full it flipped him on his back up side =
down.=20
<BR>The system weighs out of water 265 lbs in water 150 lbs, Tony =
struggled to=20
<BR>right himself he cut his suit legs to get the gas out and right =
himself=20
but <BR>being upside down the XO FFM mask flooded he cut both his =
shoulder=20
harness <BR>and made a free assent, rising feet first upside =
down and=20
didn't make it. <BR>Like Berman and Exley Tony was pioneer and =
didn't=20
die sitting at his <BR>computer and talking diving.=20
<BR> He died following his dream, =
maybe not=20
the way he say he would choose, <BR>but he did choose his time and =
place. We=20
grieve Tony, like many will grieve <BR>Steve Bermans and Dave.=20
<BR> You only think you are in =
control, I=20
hope you never lose it. <BR><BR>Captain Steve Bielenda <BR>In a =
message dated=20
5/22/2001 6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>trey@ne*.co* =
writes:=20
<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">Subj:<B>RE: Another NE wreck death</B> <BR>Date: =
5/22/2001=20
6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time <BR><I>From:=20
trey@ne*.co* (Trey) <BR>To:=20
Wahoodiver@ao*.co*, plewitsch@ya*.co*, =
quest@gu*.co*=20
<BR>CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<BR></I><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT
color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial =
lang=3D0 size=3D4=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Belinda, bullshit. Do not waste our time with =
your slop.=20
You just never <BR>learn, do you? Seen Tony Maffatone lately? Keep =
up the=20
piss poor example <BR>and the hard headed baloney. </FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#000000 face=3DArial lang=3D0 size=3D3=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 =
face=3DTahoma lang=3D0=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><B>From:</B>
Wahoodiver@ao*.co*=20
[mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 =
8:43 PM=20
<BR><B>To:</B> trey@ne*.co*; plewitsch@ya*.co*; quest@gu*.co*=20
<BR><B>Cc:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com <BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: =
Another NE=20
wreck death <BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000
face=3Darial =
lang=3D0 size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">Why do you have to have a buddy?=20
<BR> This guy had a massive heart =
attack and=20
died almost instantly, his <BR>video camera showed 22 minutes of =
video and=20
a shudder and the camera <BR>dropped <BR>along with his mounted =
light, he=20
started to inflate his buoyance system <BR>and <BR>died his light =
snaged=20
into the wreck and held his body there. <BR>Where was Steve Berman =
dive=20
buddy? <BR>Are the rules different for different area around the =
world,=20
such as cave, <BR>NE <BR>wreck southern waters west coast or where =
ever?=20
<BR>This is not an argument just some information and questions. =
<BR>Risk=20
management is done by each diver themselves and the risk they are=20
<BR>willing to take when diving alone are there own or with a dive =
partner, <BR>solo <BR>divers do not put others at risk.=20
<BR> You may not like it but that the =
facts.=20
NE wreck diving has had its <BR>share of diving deaths as many =
other areas=20
of the world but non comes any <BR>were near the high count of =
cave diving=20
deaths around the world, with and <BR>without there buddies.=20
<BR><BR>Captain Steve Bielenda <BR><BR>In a message dated
5/15/01 =
7:54:01=20
AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>trey@ne*.co* <BR>writes: =
<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">Subj: <B>RE: Another NE wreck death</B> <BR>Date: =
5/15/01=20
7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time <BR><I>From:=20
trey@ne*.co* (Trey) <BR>To:=20
plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), =
quest@gu*.co*=20
<BR>CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
<BR></I><BR><BR><BR><BR>Paul, NE diving is a disgrace
- =
partially due to=20
the bullshit, and more <BR>due <BR>to the fact that the rest of =
you go=20
along with it. <BR><BR>Let me ask a question, and you NE divers =
can get=20
out your dictionary to <BR>look <BR>up this word: "Where was =
this guy's=20
B U D D Y ? <BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Paul =
Lewitsch=20
[mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*] <BR>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:43 =
PM=20
<BR>To: quest@gu*.co* <BR>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com =
<BR>Subject:=20
Another NE wreck death <BR><BR><BR>Anyone know the actual =
situation of=20
what happened? <BR>George,you can disregard this email and hit =
delete.=20
We <BR>know your views on NE diving and believe it or not we =
<BR>are=20
working on a stroke free zone. It may take awhile <BR>but you =
have to=20
start somewhere. <BR><BR>It "may" be safe to assume he was =
"solo" since=20
there <BR>is no mention of a buddy report.=20
<BR>-------------------------------------- <BR>Routine Outing =
Fatal For=20
Diver <BR>Mourning an unexplained death <BR>by J. Jioni Palmer =
<BR>Staff=20
Writer <BR><BR>David Scholl developed a passion for Long =
Island's=20
<BR>waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near =
<BR>Jamaica Bay.=20
As a youth, he'd spend countless hours <BR>fishing and boating, =
but what=20
he loved most of all was <BR>diving deep below the ocean waves.=20
<BR><BR>That love carried through to adulthood as Scholl, 42, =
<BR>did a=20
four-year stint in the Navy and worked part time <BR>at a =
diving-gear=20
shop in Mineola. He seized every <BR>opportunity to go out onto =
the=20
water, even <BR>volunteering on weekends as an instructor on =
board the=20
<BR>dive boat the Seahawk, helping less experienced =
<BR>aquanauts hone=20
their skills, relatives said. <BR><BR>But Saturday, while on a =
routine=20
jaunt from Freeport <BR>to a ship wreckage about 18 miles south =
of Fire=20
Island <BR>an unexplained tragedy befell Scholl that took his =
<BR>life.=20
<BR><BR>"He was a diving fanatic," says his older brother Fred =
<BR>of=20
Wading River, who dives for the New York City Fire =
<BR>Department. "His=20
house was like a shrine; it was full <BR>of artifacts he picked =
up=20
diving." Saturday's accident <BR>bewildered Scholl's friends and =
relatives, who said he <BR>was an experienced diver. "If anybody =
got=20
hurt, Dave <BR>would be the first person to go help," said=20
<BR>stepdaughter Sarah Silverman, 27. "It's kind of <BR>shocking =
that=20
he'd be the one needing to get rescued." <BR>Scholl had explored =
the=20
wreckage of the G&D,a coastal <BR>steamer that sank in =
1918,more=20
than a dozen times. He <BR>had anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to =
the=20
wreckage <BR>about 110 feet below the surface on the sandy ocean =
<BR>bottom and given the "all-clear sign" indicating that <BR>it =
was=20
safe for others to dive, his sister said. <BR><BR>Not long after =
that, a=20
fellow crewmember discovered <BR>his lifeless body near the =
wreckage.=20
<BR><BR>He was brought to the surface, where the boat's crew=20
<BR>administered CPR and radioed the Coast Guard, which <BR>took =
him by=20
helicopter to Nassau University Medical <BR>Center in East =
Meadow, where=20
he was pronounced dead, <BR>said Suffolk County Homicide Det. =
Sgt.=20
Arthur Ahl. <BR><BR>"There is no indication at this point of a =
crime,"=20
he <BR>said, adding police were waiting for results of an =
<BR>autopsy by=20
the Nassau County medical examiner. <BR><BR>Divers from =
Suffolk's Marine=20
Bureau are expected to <BR>examine the wreckage today in hopes =
of=20
learning what <BR>went wrong, he said. <BR><BR>Scholl's =
relatives said=20
they hope police recover the <BR>underwater video camera he was =
carrying=20
to shed light <BR>on the incident. <BR><BR>Grieving friends
and=20
relatives yesterday remembered <BR>Scholl, who worked for the =
Village of=20
Valley Stream <BR>driving a recycling truck, as an affable man =
with a=20
<BR>generous heart who could light up a room with =
<BR>entertaining=20
humor. <BR><BR>"He was the class clown and the family comedian," =
said=20
<BR>his sister Susan McBride, 48, of Rockaway Beach. "He <BR>was =
the=20
happy-go-lucky guy that everybody loved." <BR>Scholl is survived =
by his=20
companion of 10 years, Sue <BR>Silverman of Long Beach; his =
mother,=20
Carole, and <BR>another sister, Debra; two children and four=20
<BR>stepchildren. <BR><BR>A wake will be today from 7-9 p.m.
and =
tomorrow from <BR>2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m. <BR><BR>at the
Meserole =
Funeral=20
Home in Inwood. Funeral <BR>services will be Wednesday at 11 =
a.m. at the=20
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