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Gee, those guys? who would have guessed?
;-)
TT
----- Original Message -----
From: MHK
To: Thomas Tukker ; Trey ; quest@gu*.co*
Cc: aquanaut
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal
It begins with an I and ends in D....
;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Tukker
To: Trey ; MHK ; quest@gu*.co*
Cc: aquanaut
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal
I think we can make an educated guess here on the agency question.
TT
----- Original Message -----
From: Trey
To: MHK ; quest@gu*.co*
Cc: aquanaut
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:54 AM
Subject: RE: Deep air fatality in SoCal
Looks like he was not planning on coming back at all. How many dead
buddies has this other guy got, and who trained these guys and told them
that mix was so bad, and who told them that deep air was a heroic thing? Can
you find out the agency and instructor?
-----Original Message-----
From: MHK [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:56 PM
To: Trey; quest@gu*.co*
Cc: aquanaut
Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal
Trey,
It's worse than we thought.. The ad hoc dive plan was to 320' on
air, with no deco gas.. He had twin 120's and was following his computer
until it cleared deco..
The survivor reports seeing him at 290' heading down to the anchor
at 318'...
Solo, on air at 320' with no deco gas...
Need we say anymore????
Later
----- Original Message -----
From: Trey
To: MHK ; quest@gu*.co*
Cc: aquanaut
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: Deep air fatality in SoCal
Mike, this is what the dive industry teaches and preaches " good
on air", and "depth" - two very important things in the tiny little mind of
the strokes who teach diving, and the agencies they work for. Now, even
PADI.
Three of these agencies have "deep air record holders" as their
presidents: Mouth at IANTD ( whom we have all heard tell students that his
"personal comfort level on air is 200 feet", Gilliam at TDI who broadcasts
his love for deep air, and that drooling idiot Hal Watts at PSA .
Tolerance of stroke thinking in any form is unacceptable to me. I
treat them all like the cockroaches that they are, and if everyone else did
the same, it would eventually become stigmatic to be a moron.
Mike, I would love to dive that bank again, but I can not fly out
to help you and Johnny Walker due to work. If you find that guy at all, the
sharks are going to have eaten him anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: MHK [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:13 PM
To: quest@gu*.co*
Cc: aquanaut
Subject: Deep air fatality in SoCal
John Walker and I are doing a body recovery tomorrow from yet
another deep air fatality..
Facts are reported to me by the USCG..
Two guys on a private boat go to Farnsworth bank ( backside of
Catalina). The plan was for diver 1 to dive first while diver 2 stays
topside to watch the boat..
Diver 1 dives to 260' solo on air, when he get's to 10' diver 2
gets into the water.
Diver 2's profile was planned 280', on air, solo and NO deco
gas.. On top of that he brought his video camera..
After diver one gets on the boat he doesn't see any bubbles and
tries to call the USCG but the radio doesn't work. He later flags down
another boat and the USCG responds..
BTW, these guys were trimix certified but chose to do this dive
on air.. I spoke earlier today with the parents of this 39 year old guy and
next time anyone tries to defend this kind of idiocy I'll have them call the
parents of this guy and let them hear the pain in their voice...
Later
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gee, those guys? who would have=20
guessed?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TT</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne* =
href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dthomas@ha*.ne*=20
href=3D"mailto:thomas@ha*.ne*">Thomas Tukker</A> ; <A =
title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; <A title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10, 2001 =
3:17=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air
fatality =
in=20
SoCal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It begins with an I and ends in=20
D....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dthomas@ha*.ne* =
href=3D"mailto:thomas@ha*.ne*">Thomas=20
Tukker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; <A =
title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20
href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A =
title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10,
2001 =
6:09=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air =
fatality in=20
SoCal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think we can make an educated =
guess here on=20
the agency question.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TT</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20
href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A =
title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10, =
2001 5:54=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Deep air =
fatality in=20
SoCal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360285109-10052001>Looks like he was not planning on =
coming back at=20
all. How many dead buddies has this other guy got, and who trained =
these=20
guys and told them that mix was so bad, and who told them that =
deep air=20
was a heroic thing? Can you find out the agency and=20
instructor?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> MHK=20
[mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 09, =
2001 2:56=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Trey; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
aquanaut<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air fatality in=20
SoCal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Trey,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's worse than we =
thought.. The ad=20
hoc dive plan was to 320' on air, with no deco gas.. He =
had twin=20
120's and was following his computer until it cleared=20
deco..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The survivor reports seeing him =
at 290'=20
heading down to the anchor at 318'...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Solo, on air at 320' with no =
deco=20
gas...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Need we say =
anymore????</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20
href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A =
title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May
08, =
2001 2:38=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Deep air
=
fatality in=20
SoCal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D530462609-08052001>Mike, this is what the dive =
industry teaches=20
and preaches " good on air", and "depth" - two very important =
things=20
in the tiny little mind of the strokes who teach diving, and =
the=20
agencies they work for. Now, even PADI. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D530462609-08052001>Three of these agencies have "deep =
air record=20
holders" as their presidents: Mouth at IANTD ( whom we have =
all heard=20
tell students that his "personal comfort level on air is 200 =
feet",=20
Gilliam at TDI who broadcasts his love for deep air, and that =
drooling=20
idiot Hal Watts at PSA . </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D530462609-08052001>Tolerance of stroke thinking in any =
form is=20
unacceptable to me. I treat them all like the cockroaches that =
they=20
are, and if everyone else did the same, it would eventually =
become=20
stigmatic to be a moron.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D530462609-08052001>Mike, I would love to dive that =
bank again,=20
but I can not fly out to help you and Johnny Walker due to =
work. If=20
you find that guy at all, the sharks are going to have eaten =
him=20
anyway. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> MHK=20
[mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 07, =
2001=20
9:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
quest@gu*.co*<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
aquanaut<BR><B>Subject:</B> Deep air fatality in=20
SoCal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John Walker and I are doing =
a body=20
recovery tomorrow from yet another deep air =
fatality..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Facts are reported to me by =
the=20
USCG..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Two guys on a private boat =
go to=20
Farnsworth bank ( backside of Catalina). The plan was =
for=20
diver 1 to dive first while diver 2 stays topside to watch =
the=20
boat..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diver 1 dives to 260' solo =
on air, when=20
he get's to 10' diver 2 gets into the water.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diver 2's profile was =
planned 280', on=20
air, solo and NO deco gas.. On top of that he brought =
his=20
video camera..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After diver one gets on the =
boat he=20
doesn't see any bubbles and tries to call the USCG but the =
radio=20
doesn't work. He later flags down another boat and the =
USCG=20
responds.. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, these guys were trimix =
certified=20
but chose to do this dive on air.. I spoke earlier =
today with=20
the parents of this 39 year old guy and next time anyone =
tries to=20
defend this kind of idiocy I'll have them call the parents =
of this=20
guy and let them hear the pain in their =
voice...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE
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