This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C0D94C.3A44C060
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm in a flame war with one of Trey's buddies  ;-), on another list..  =
He is claiming that even though the IANTD website is promoting a =
advanced deep air training that IANTD no longer provides training on air =
to 160' and that any instructor caught teaching air to 160' will loose =
his rating..

Why don't we start sending the names over to IANTD so they can take away =
all those instructor cards  ;-)

I could be a good way to get rid of some of the instrokters...

Later
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Thomas Tukker=20
  To: MHK ; Trey ; quest@gu*.co*=20
  Cc: aquanaut=20
  Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal


  Gee, those guys? who would have guessed?

  ;-)

  TT
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: MHK=20
    To: Thomas Tukker ; Trey ; quest@gu*.co*=20
    Cc: aquanaut=20
    Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:17 PM
    Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal


    It begins with an I and ends in D....

    ;-)


      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Thomas Tukker=20
      To: Trey ; MHK ; quest@gu*.co*=20
      Cc: aquanaut=20
      Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:09 AM
      Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal


      I think we can make an educated guess here on the agency question.

      TT
        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: Trey=20
        To: MHK ; quest@gu*.co*=20
        Cc: aquanaut=20
        Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:54 AM
        Subject: RE: Deep air fatality in SoCal


        Looks like he was not planning on coming back at all. How many =
dead buddies has this other guy got, and who trained these guys and told =
them that mix was so bad, and who told them that deep air was a heroic =
thing? Can you find out the agency and instructor?
          -----Original Message-----
          From: MHK [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]
          Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:56 PM
          To: Trey; quest@gu*.co*
          Cc: aquanaut
          Subject: Re: Deep air fatality in SoCal


          Trey,

          It's worse than we thought..  The ad hoc dive plan was to 320' =
on air, with no deco gas..  He had twin 120's and was following his =
computer until it cleared deco..

          The survivor reports seeing him at 290' heading down to the =
anchor at 318'...

          Solo, on air at 320' with no deco gas...

          Need we say anymore????

          Later
            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: Trey=20
            To: MHK ; quest@gu*.co*=20
            Cc: aquanaut=20
            Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:38 AM
            Subject: RE: Deep air fatality in SoCal


            Mike, this is what the dive industry teaches and preaches " =
good on air", and "depth" - two very important things in the tiny little =
mind of the strokes who teach diving, and the agencies they work for. =
Now, even PADI.=20

            Three of these agencies have "deep air record holders" as =
their presidents: Mouth at IANTD ( whom we have all heard tell students =
that his "personal comfort level on air is 200 feet", Gilliam at TDI who =
broadcasts his love for deep air, and that drooling idiot Hal Watts at =
PSA .=20

            Tolerance of stroke thinking in any form is unacceptable to =
me. I treat them all like the cockroaches that they are, and if everyone =
else did the same, it would eventually become stigmatic to be a moron.

            Mike, I would love to dive that bank again, but I can not =
fly out to help you and Johnny Walker due to work. If you find that guy =
at all, the sharks are going to have eaten him anyway.=20

              -----Original Message-----
              From: MHK [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]
              Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:13 PM
              To: quest@gu*.co*
              Cc: aquanaut
              Subject: Deep air fatality in SoCal


              John Walker and I are doing a body recovery tomorrow from =
yet another deep air fatality..

              Facts are reported to me by the USCG..

              Two guys on a private boat go to Farnsworth bank ( =
backside of Catalina).  The plan was for diver 1 to dive first while =
diver 2 stays topside to watch the boat..

              Diver 1 dives to 260' solo on air, when he get's to 10' =
diver 2 gets into the water.

              Diver 2's profile was planned 280', on air, solo and NO =
deco gas..  On top of that he brought his video camera..

              After diver one gets on the boat he doesn't see any =
bubbles and tries to call the USCG but the radio doesn't work.  He later =
flags down another boat and the USCG responds.. =20

              BTW, these guys were trimix certified but chose to do this =
dive on air..  I spoke earlier today with the parents of this 39 year =
old guy and next time anyone tries to defend this kind of idiocy I'll =
have them call the parents of this guy and let them hear the pain in =
their voice...

              Later

------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C0D94C.3A44C060
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm in a flame war with one of Trey's =
buddies =20
;-), on another list..  He is claiming that even though the IANTD =
website=20
is promoting a advanced deep air training that IANTD no longer provides =
training=20
on air to 160' and that any instructor caught teaching air to 160' will =
loose=20
his rating..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why don't we start sending the names =
over to IANTD=20
so they can take away all those instructor cards  ;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I could be a good way to get rid of =
some of the=20
instrokters...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dthomas@ha*.ne* =
href=3D"mailto:thomas@ha*.ne*">Thomas Tukker</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20
  href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A =
title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*=20
  href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; <A title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20
  href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10, 2001 =
12:08=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air
fatality =
in=20
  SoCal</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gee, those guys? who would have=20
  guessed?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;-)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TT</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne* =
href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dthomas@ha*.ne*=20
    href=3D"mailto:thomas@ha*.ne*">Thomas Tukker</A> ; <A=20
    title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; =
<A=20
    title=3Dquest@gu*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10,
2001 =
3:17=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air =
fatality in=20
    SoCal</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It begins with an I and ends in=20
    D....</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;-)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV> </DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dthomas@ha*.ne* =
href=3D"mailto:thomas@ha*.ne*">Thomas=20
      Tukker</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*=20
      href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> ; <A =
title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20
      href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A =
title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20
      href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
      href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10, =
2001 6:09=20
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air =
fatality in=20
      SoCal</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think we can make an educated =
guess here on=20
      the agency question.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TT</FONT></DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20
        href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A =
title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20
        href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
        href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 10,
=
2001 5:54=20
        AM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Deep air =
fatality in=20
        SoCal</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
        class=3D360285109-10052001>Looks like he was not planning on =
coming back=20
        at all. How many dead buddies has this other guy got, and who =
trained=20
        these guys and told them that mix was so bad, and who told them =
that=20
        deep air was a heroic thing? Can you find out the agency and=20
        instructor?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
          size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> MHK=20
          [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 09, =
2001=20
          2:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Trey; <A=20
         
href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
          aquanaut<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Deep air fatality in=20
          SoCal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Trey,</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's worse than we =
thought..  The ad=20
          hoc dive plan was to 320' on air, with no deco gas..  He =
had twin=20
          120's and was following his computer until it cleared=20
          deco..</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The survivor reports seeing =
him at 290'=20
          heading down to the anchor at 318'...</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Solo, on air at 320' with no =
deco=20
          gas...</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Need we say =
anymore????</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
          style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
            <DIV=20
            style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
            <A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A>=20
            </DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmhkane@pr*.ne*=20
            href=3D"mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*">MHK</A> ; <A =
title=3Dquest@gu*.co*=20
            href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> </DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
            title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
            href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">aquanaut</A> </DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May =
08, 2001=20
            2:38 AM</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Deep
air =
fatality=20
            in SoCal</DIV>
            <DIV><BR></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
            class=3D530462609-08052001>Mike, this is what the dive =
industry=20
            teaches and preaches " good on air", and "depth" - two very=20
            important things in the tiny little mind of the strokes who =
teach=20
            diving, and the agencies they work for. Now, even PADI.=20
            </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
            class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
            class=3D530462609-08052001>Three of these agencies have =
"deep air=20
            record holders" as their presidents: Mouth at IANTD ( whom =
we have=20
            all heard tell students that his "personal comfort level on =
air is=20
            200 feet", Gilliam at TDI who broadcasts his love for deep =
air, and=20
            that drooling idiot Hal Watts at PSA . =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
            class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
            class=3D530462609-08052001>Tolerance of stroke thinking in =
any form is=20
            unacceptable to me. I treat them all like the cockroaches =
that they=20
            are, and if everyone else did the same, it would eventually =
become=20
            stigmatic to be a moron.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
            class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
            class=3D530462609-08052001>Mike, I would love to dive that =
bank again,=20
            but I can not fly out to help you and Johnny Walker due to =
work. If=20
            you find that guy at all, the sharks are going to have eaten =
him=20
            anyway. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
            class=3D530462609-08052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
            <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
              <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
              face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> MHK=20
              [mailto:mhkane@pr*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May =
07, 2001=20
              9:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
quest@gu*.co*<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
              aquanaut<BR><B>Subject:</B> Deep air fatality in=20
              SoCal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John Walker and I are =
doing a body=20
              recovery tomorrow from yet another deep air=20
fatality..</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Facts are reported to me =
by the=20
              USCG..</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Two guys on a private =
boat go to=20
              Farnsworth bank ( backside of Catalina).  The plan =
was for=20
              diver 1 to dive first while diver 2 stays topside to watch =
the=20
              boat..</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diver 1 dives to 260' =
solo on air,=20
              when he get's to 10' diver 2 gets into the =
water.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diver 2's profile was =
planned 280',=20
              on air, solo and NO deco gas..  On top of that he =
brought his=20
              video camera..</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After diver one gets on =
the boat he=20
              doesn't see any bubbles and tries to call the USCG but the =
radio=20
              doesn't work.  He later flags down another boat and =
the USCG=20
              responds..  </FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, these guys were =
trimix certified=20
              but chose to do this dive on air..  I spoke earlier =
today=20
              with the parents of this 39 year old guy and next time =
anyone=20
              tries to defend this kind of idiocy I'll have them call =
the=20
              parents of this guy and let them hear the pain in their=20
              voice...</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
          =
size=3D2>Later</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE
></BLOCK=
QUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C0D94C.3A44C060--

--
Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.

Navigate by Author: [Previous] [Next] [Author Search Index]
Navigate by Subject: [Previous] [Next] [Subject Search Index]

[Send Reply] [Send Message with New Topic]

[Search Selection] [Mailing List Home] [Home]