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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:46:43 -0800
From: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
Subject: Re: Halcyon wing recommendation - postscript
To: jgale53@ho*.co*, Ian Puleston <DiverIan@pa*.ne*>
Cc: Metcalfe Kevin J COCA <kmetcalfe@ns*.na*.mi*>,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
No, it's common.  My dive buddy has the same problem.  I got the 65 
pound wing because I want my gear to FLOAT when I take it off in the 
water.  We're not talking about positive buoyancy with the gear on, 
we are talking the gear by itself, just sitting in the water.  The 
dry (or wet) suit is quite buoyant, so there is no problem with the 
gear on.

Speaking of this stuff, my buddy's rig was purchased at Halcyon, 
while mine already had the backplate from OMS and I had some D-rings 
so I made my own harness and crotch strap.  Again, I have to say, 
Halcyon simply provides a superior product.  All the D-rings are 
prebent, so they stick out a little, and are slightly smaller.  The 
rig also came with a knife holster, and the right buckle.  You can 
make a DIR harness from parts, but you'll be spending so much time 
getting all the details right, you're better off just getting one 
from JJ!

As for the ACB system, even though it's not DIR I really love mine. 
I use the smaller one, and I don't find that it increases drag all 
that much.  I don't think I would want to go back to a weight belt, 
if I had to get rid of it I would use a V-weight.  The main reason I 
haven't done so is that shlepping the tanks is a lot easier if you 
can separate the lead from the rig.

Cheeers.

<jgale53@ho*.co*> wrote:
~
>Wow...
>
>If you cannot achieve positive buoyancy on the surface with that 
>wing something
>is seriously wrong and you should never have to pull the drop weights to do
>it.....you'll end up as one of those "surface drowning" statistics...
>
>JG
>
>********************************************
>
>Ian Puleston wrote:
>
>>  Just to add an addendum to this old thread - I received my new 45lb Pioneer
>>  single-tank wing from Halcyon a couple of weeks ago, and after some shore
>>  diving with it, took it for its first dive from an inflatable yesterday.
>>
>>  First the good stuff - I don't seem to need as much weight with this set up
>>  as I did with my old Zeagle ranger (presumably because less bulk == less
>>  buoyancy). I managed to drop 5 lbs of lead which brings the total weight
>>  (-ve buoyancy) of my rig down to about 30lbs.
>>
>>  But the 45lb Pioneer wing would not float it - even fully inflated it would
>>  sink. However, that's partially compensated for by Halcyon's great ACB
>>  weighting system - at the end of the dive its really easy to pull the weight
>>  pouches and throw them into the boat, and with the big handles there's
>>  little chance of dropping them. Just gotta be careful at the start of the
>>  dive.
>>
>>  Ian
>>
>>  > I dive N. Cal and dive a lot from inflatables - that means that the wing
>>  > needs to be able to float the scuba unit whilst getting in and
>>  > out. I have a
>>  > SS backplate that, for recreational diving, I use with a single HP 80 with
>>  > an additional 18lbs of lead. With the single tank the total weight
>>  > (actually -ve buoyancy) that the wing needs to support is approximately:
>>  >       Lead            18lbs
>>  >       Backplate       6lbs
>>  >       Canister light  2lbs
>>  >       Tank (full)     7lbs
>>  >       2 x regulators  2lbs
>>  >
>>  >       Total:          35lbs
>>  >
>>  > So the 36lb Pioneer wing is barely (read not really) adequate,
>>  > and I've just
>>  > purchased a 45lb Pioneer wing.
>>
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