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Todd, as long as the party line is "certify all that pay", the 
instructor is powerless.  There needs to be some kind of line drawn, 
and if you can't cross that line you don't get certified.  The 
agencies have been loosening the requirements, if anything.  It's 
true that you can have good and bad instructors in any system, but a 
good system is one that is able to adhere to a minimum standard.  In 
my experience, PADI's minimum is not acceptable for diving around 
here (Monterey).  Then again, maybe it's fine for warm water no 
stress diving, I wouldn't know.

Todd Sieber wrote:
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>Paul,
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>Look I'm on your side on the issue of some people shouldn't get certified
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Paul B.
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