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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:04:01 -0500
From: Wendell Grogan <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>
To: Ian Puleston <DiverIan@pa*.ne*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: WARNING - Coffee Alert
Two quick comments:  First of all, having read all of the PADI, NAUI,
and TDI manuals as well as the Navy Dive Manual, I can see that all of
the dive manuals are just Navy dive manual, dumbed down.  I haven't read
the GUI manuals, but from what I see on their website, they are one of
the few groups who write in English and have a fresh approach.
Second, my younger son started diving when he was 13, did his first deco
dive at 14 and snuck into a nitrox certification at 14 also.  Having
done 50 or so dives with him, I feel that he is a very competent diver,
usually very mature in his approach to diving, and capable of
understanding the seriousness of what he does.  However, he is still a
kid and does not have the depth of experience that an adult has.  I will
dive anywhere with him, but I will not abdicate my responsibility as a
parent to anyone.  There are exactly 3 people at my local dive shop that
I would trust to dive with him.  The least experienced was doing tech
diving before he graduated from high school.
Having done hiking, rock climbing, etc. with my kids, I totally agree
that getting out and doing this with kids is infinitely better for them
than anything that modern society would want them to do.  Diving is a
logical extension.
Wendell G

Ian Puleston wrote:
> 
> A bit off topic for tech diver, but...
> 
> Personally I think that scuba diving, along with hiking, rock climbing etc.
> are exactly the sort of activities that a parent should be encouraging their
> children into. These sports teach the kids stuff like environmental
> awareness in an adventurous way that they'll enjoy, and those kids grow into
> better adults because of it.
> 
> And if those kids don't spend the day diving, what do they do instead? -
> play football, ride their bikes in the road, hang around the streets with
> their friends - not exactly risk free activities. Or you can keep them
> indoors and they can grow up stuck in front of the TV or playing computer
> games.
> 
> My only gripe with the system is that the certification allows 10-11 year
> olds to dive with a parent, no matter what the experience level of the
> parent. Some vacation divers who're going to want to take their kids along
> are hardly capable of taking care of themselves, never mind a kid too. I'd
> like to see an additional certification for parents who want to take their
> kids diving, with a minimum of 50-100 dives required before they can do it -
> otherwise they need to hire a DM to look after the kid on the dive.
> 
> I had my 11 year old daughter certified last year, but when she dives its
> with me only, and I'm there with the sole purpose of looking after her.
> 
> Ian
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:04 PM
> > To: Cody Towns; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > Subject: RE: WARNING - Coffee Alert
> >
> >
> > Anybody who allows a kid to use compressed air is out of his mind.
> > We have no idea what the inevitable microbubble damage will do to
> > growing bones, brain etc.  I just remember last year when I was in
> > Hawaii with my family, doing a lot of freediving, and wishing I could
> > stay down just a little longer to get a better look at something.
> >
> > As far as people embolizing at 50'...with the way PADi trains I'm
> > sure it happens all the time.  No real training to speak of, pay and
> > we'll certify you for sure, no matter how inept you are, and accept
> > anyone into the course.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> 
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