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From: <kevin.obrien03@us*.cg*.co*>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: WARNING - Coffee Alert
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:04:39 -0500


Adam -- your anti-PADI prejudice is obvious, but let's just discuss som=
e
reality. =A0And I'll be up front and tell you that I am a PADI MSDT, be=
en
diving since 1972 (but don't have PADI on my underwear). =A0When I firs=
t
learned to dive, diving and dive instructors were very macho/militarist=
ic.
Probably not a bad thing considering the state of dive gear at the time=
..
No BC's, no SPG's, fairly crude regs compared to today. =A0The emphasis=
 on
strength and endurance, ditch & don, blow & go, etc. was more appropria=
te
for the conditions then. =A0But that limited the sport to the macho few=
..

As gear improved, it became possible for more people to participate in
diving. =A0PADI and other agencies adapted to the market. =A0In fact, i=
t can be
argued that bringing a lot more participants into diving enabled the ge=
ar
manufacturers to develop better gear, which enabled more divers, which
enabled better gear, and so on. =A0Gear that we all now depend on for m=
ore
aggressive diving. =A0However, there is an important point which is mis=
sing
from some of these emails. =A0MOST divers do not want to tech dive. =A0=
MOST
divers want to enjoy the sport above 90-100 ft., feel safe, be warm, ha=
ve
great vis, etc. =A0That may not be what you want to do, but that's real=
ity.
Keep in mind that PADI is an organization that probably has done more t=
o
promote diving than any other group. =A0So, before attacking PADI, =A0y=
ou
should remind yourself that the quality of instruction still comes down=
 to
the instructor. =A0After all, when you were taught to drive, you probab=
ly
were taught to obey the speed limits, but perhaps ...

Good diving -- KOB.

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Hey Todd

Do you have PADI written on your underwear? Do you have PADI Instructor=

hat? Hey Todd BY THE END OF THIS E MAIL YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH=

BULL SHIT FROM REALITY. If you can't you deserve to be a PADI Instructo=
r.
PADI is nothing but a moneymaking bullshit that switches with wind and
dollar signs. Years ago PADI wanted the dive instruction market so they=

manufactured bullshit instructors at PADI collage. So little fat slob
instructors that don't know their ass from hole in the ground will make=

little divers that do little dives. They closed down the PADI Collage
because they did not make enough money. Then PADI changed the dive mast=
er
in water qualification standards because their fat slob out of shape di=
ve
master craniates could not swim. Because it was too hard. PADI also sai=
d if
you dive over 130 feet you will die. They also said Nitrox and Trimix i=
s
bullshit. Guess what? Now they see there is money to be made they are i=
n
Nitrox and Technical training. Of course they are going to have flashy
bullshit stolen training materials. They constantly screw divers to mak=
e
money. PADI is in this business to make money.=A0 Basket weaving specia=
lty?
Common give me a f-break. I wonder if they are going to have Trimix bas=
ket
weaving specialty?=A0 Don't get me wrong there are excellent PADI instr=
uctors
out there but unfortunately bullshit ones out number the good ones.

Cheers

Adam

> Todd Sieber wrote:
> ~
> >Paul,
> >
> >Look dip-shit quit giving shit about PADI - its not the freak'n
> organization
> >that turns out bad divers its the freak'n insturctors who don't give=

> a shit
> >about their students - I see it all the time and from EVERY
> organization.
> >PADI has the best teaching materials of every organization (hence,
> the fact
> >that every one has copied them) and yes, they even have the best
> materials
> >for the Tec-Rec, they beat the shit out of IANTD and TDI Advanced
> Nitrox and
> >Deep Air materials. So unless you're an insturctor turning out
> perfect
> >divers (which by the way you can not do) - shut the Freak up about
> PADI
> >already.
> >
> >And as far as kids goes, we don't even know what diving does to
> adults ....
> >
> >Todd
> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*]
> >> >t; Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:04 PM
> >> > To: Cody Towns; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >> > Subject: RE: WARNING - Coffee Alert
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Anybody who allows a kid to use compressed air is out of his
> mind.
> >> > We have no idea what the inevitable microbubble damage will do
> to
> >> > growing bones, brain etc. I just remember last year when I was
> in
> >> > Hawaii with my family, doing a lot of freediving, and wishing I
> could
> >> > stay down just a little longer to get a better look at
> something.
> >> >
> >> > As far as people embolizing at 50'...with the way PADi trains
> I'm
> >> > sure it happens all the time. No real training to speak of,
> pay and
> >> > we'll certify you for sure, no matter how inept you are, and
> accept
> >> > anyone into the course.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers.
> >>
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