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From: "Nick Foster" <nick@fi*.co*>
To: "David E. Smith" <dsmith218@ho*.co*>, <billy@v3*.co*.au*>,
    
Subject: Re: DUI CLX VS TLS
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:43:52 -0800
When a zipper travels flat it does not have a problem, the issue with the
DUI pockets is they try to bend that "beefy" zipper around a corner. this is
a high wear area and the teeth are always fighting each other and at some
point the performance will start to deteriorate. finally leaving you with a
zipper that appears to "jam"
at that point it doesnt matter how much you clean it. the thing is worn out.

                                 nick
----- Original Message -----
From: David E. Smith <dsmith218@ho*.co*>
To: <billy@v3*.co*.au*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:18 PM
Subject: RE: DUI CLX VS TLS


> The zipper on my DUI pockets (as well as dry zipper outer) is fairly
> "beefy"(has large teeth).  It would certainly take more than a grain of
sand
> to jam it up.  Has anyone out there had THIS type of zipper jam on them?
I
> know several people using them and know of no problems to date.
>
>
> dsmith218@ho*.co*
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>
> Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. -
> Polver
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: billy@v3*.co*.au* [mailto:billy@v3*.co*.au*]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 6:36 AM
> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: DUI CLX VS TLS
>
>
> At 03:40  1/03/01 , Adam Kim wrote:
> >There is some thing to be said about equipment
> >maintenance!  If you clean your suit you will not have
> >any problems.
>
> Bullshit. It takes a grain of sand or a piece of
> shell debris to jam a zip. You can pick that up and
> get a jam from it during a dive.
>
> IF velcro deteriorates, it doesn't happen instantly.
> It gets slack first. And guess what, Einstein, that's
> when you replace it.
>
> >I had DUI zipper pockets for many years.
> >Had no problem.
>
> Are you saying that because you've had no problem
> with your zip pocket so far, you never will and no-one
> else will either?
>
> >  On the other hand I have seen people
> >have problems with their Velcro pockets opening.
>
> See above.
>
> >  Or
> >having trouble getting in to the pocket with dry
> >gloves.
>
> You can add a grip tab to a velcro pocket to make it
> easier to open with heavy gloves. Then you don't have to
> run the risk of a zipper jamming.
>
> >I do agree with Max.
>
> What, about medium breasts?
>
> rgds billyw
>
>
>
> >Cheers
> >Adam
> >
> >
> > >Max, defending a zippered pocket by saying "I never
> >had one jam"is mindless.
> >
> > >I've had all kinds of zippers jam. The fact is, zips
> >have the potential to jam, velcro doesn't. Add silt
> >and sand and water and the potential soars.
> >
> > >But hey, don't let reason influence you. Go right
> >head and go with the zipper. Just remember, by so
> >doing you're ignoring reality. And that is a stupid
> >thing to do when it comes to choosing extreme diving
> >gear.
> >
> > >rgds billyw
> >
> >At 12:00  28/02/01 , Max wrote:
> > >A zippered pocket will never open on it own, never
> >collect sand, the flap does not get pushed inside when
> >routing deep, i cannot tell if the Velcro is closed
> >with dry gloves, I have never had a zippered pocket
> >jam. This is not an argument rather a preference. For
> >what you do I guess you could make do with Velcro. I
> >like big pockets, but med breasts it's just a
> >preference. I think I will opp for the TLS rather than
> >the CLx.
> >
> >
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