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Thanks Trey. Trey wrote: ~ >Paul, it is hard to describe - you will find that you can put the gas where >you want it and it will stay if you are horizontal in the water and keep you >limbs in the position that you want. Just play with it until it becomes >second nature. The drysuit is like flying a helicopter at first - you are >all over the place and it feels like bullshit, but then when you get it, you >can make it do anything you want, and then you prefer that added ability. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*] >Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:24 PM >To: Trey; George Irvine >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: RE: DIHUL, was: Fins question > > >I think I understand. You're saying that in the proper position, you >get the gas out of your legs, into your torso area, then even if your >feet are up, no gas will go there because your torso is higher than >your knees. That way your legs don't get floaty. > >Is this correct? > >Trey wrote: >~ >>Get the gas out of the legs and then do it. You will get to where you can >>put the legs anywhere. I tow stage bottles on my legs by adding gas to >them, >>or hold them anywhere. A DUI TLS drysuit is magic in the right hands. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*] >>Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 8:58 PM >>To: George Irvine >>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >>Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question >> >> >>My problem is that if I put myself in a horizontal position in the >>water my legs start floating up. >> >>George Irvine wrote: >>~ >>>Paul, all tanks are top heavy. That is what you want. The heavy part is >>over >>>your buoyant lungs and the light part is over your heavy legs . The best >>>trim is horizontal. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Paul Braunbehrens" <Bakalite@ba*.co*> >>>To: "George Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>; "Marv" <ajmarve@ba*.ne*> >>>Cc: <allysonclagett@ea*.ne*>; "'Kevin Connell'" ><kevin@co*.ne*>; >>>"'Chris Elmore'" <elmorec@at*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:47 AM >>>Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question >>> >>> >>>> What about the argument that some tanks are top heavy making it >>>> harder to achieve proper trim in the ocean? >>>> >>>> >>>> George Irvine wrote: >>>> ~ >>>> >I keep saying it - weight yourself so that with little or no gas you >>can >>>> >hover at ten feet, and with full gas you can swim up with no >inflation >>by >>>> >dropping something. >>>> > >>>> >That covers it. >>>> > >>>> >For tank choice in ocean, big heavy tanks are dangerous boat diving, >so >>>are >>>> >not my first choice. I'd rather add a stage and dive it dry , leaving >>my >>>> >back gas intact. >>>> > >>>> >Cave diving is different in that you need more gas to go farther and >>the >>>> >decompression is in a safe environment,not open sea with all its >>>vagaries. >>>> > >>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>> >From: "Marv" <ajmarve@ba*.ne*> >>>> >To: "George Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*> >>>> >Cc: <allysonclagett@ea*.ne*>; "'Kevin Connell'" >>><kevin@co*.ne*>; >>>> >"'Paul Braunbehrens'" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>; "'Chris Elmore'" >>>> ><elmorec@at*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>> >Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:28 PM >>>> >Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Geroge, >>>> >> >>>> >> I am more or less the instigator of this mess , and I would like >to >>>just >>>> >> bring a couple of things more into focus. >>>> >> >>>> >> If you had limited funds< like Paul does> which tank would you >buy, >>>the >>>> >> al80s or the 104s, if you were only diving ocean? >>>> >> >>>> >> Why exactly is the 80 the "tank of choice" for the ocean? Is there >>>some >>>> >> reason besides buoyancy and cost? >>>> >> >>>> >> What is more important on a deco dive inthe ocean, ability to >>>ultimately > >>> >> surface by ditching weight to become positive or remaining >beneath >>>the >>>> >> deco ceiling by other means< buddy support divers bring gas, etc> >>>> >> >>>> >> I am thinking that your primary concern in the ocean is drowning, >>>> >> followed by inert gas concerns. Which is more or less important to >>the >>>> >> dir diver in the ocean? >>>> >> >>>> >> Did i misquote you or miss some context in your original >>article<where >>>i >>>> >> quoted from your gear config piece re al 80s in the ocean, which >is >>in >>>> >> the morass below.> ? >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks, >>>> >> >>>> >> Marv >>>> >> >>>> >> George Irvine wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > Think of it this way , Allyson: whatever you are wearing, you >>should >>>be >>>> >able >>>> >> > to stay at ten feet with almost no gas, and you should be able >to >>>swim >>>> >up >>>> >> > from depth with no inflation of any kind ( by dropping >>something ). >>>If >>>> >you >>>> >> > can do that, you are DIR. If not, you are a moron ( not you, >>>Allyson ). >>>> >> > >>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> > From: "Allyson" <allysonclagett@ea*.ne*> >>>> >> > To: "'Kevin Connell'" <kevin@co*.ne*>; "'Marv'" >>>> ><ajmarve@ba*.ne*>; >>>> >> > "'Paul Braunbehrens'" <Bakalite@ba*.co*> >>>> >> > Cc: "'Chris Elmore'" <elmorec@at*.ne*>; >>><techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:00 PM >>>> >> > Subject: RE: DIHUL, was: Fins question >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> Hi Marv, >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> You're right, George Irvine's "Doing It Right Gear >Configuration" >>>> >article >>>> >> >> says that for ocean diving "aluminum 80's are the tank of >>choice." >>>> >> > >>>> >> > However >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> the article also says "in ocean or lake diving, steel tanks >>should >>>> >never >>> > >> > >>>> >> > be >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> used without a drysuit." >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> So what I surmise from the article is, if you are diving in the >>>ocean >>>> >in a >>>> >> >> wetsuit, definitely use aluminum 80's--with a wetsuit, never >use >>>steel >>>> >> >> tanks. If you are diving a drysuit in the ocean, using steel >>tanks >>>is >>>> >> >> acceptable (as you will need less weight elsewhere on your >>person.) >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> ~Allyson >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> >> From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@co*.ne*] >>>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:08 AM >>>> >> >> To: Marv; Paul Braunbehrens >>>> >> >> Cc: Chris Elmore; techdiver@aquanaut.com; GUE Mailing List >>>> >> >> Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Marv, is it DIR because you read something george wrote (out of >>>> >> >> context) and you happen to use the same equipment? >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Can you come out here and retrain everyone, maybe offer some >>>lectures >>>> >on >>>> >> >> DIR? We seem to be stroking out big time with steel tanks. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> armchair diving at its finest. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> At 11:37 PM 2/20/2001 -0500, Marv wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> THis is not just a Paul thing but since he brougth it up, its >>the >>>> >ideal >>>> >> >>> place for it. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> If you are diving in the ocean , what is the ideal tank? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> not what tank can you make work or what tank is kind of ok, >but >>>what >>>> >tank >>>> >> >>> is DIR?? >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> its the ALUMINUM 80 >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> These tanks are one third the cost of steel whatevers and one >>>fifth >>>> >the >>>> >> >>> weight. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> They are the ultimate tank in terms of buoyancy, when >>>> >manifolded&doubled >>>> >> >>> up with a steel plate for drysuit diving you will not realize >>you >>>are >>>> >> >>> wearing tanks, they have more than enuff gas for most >reasonable >>>> >dives, >>>> >> >>> and they are by definition the dir tank of choice for the >ocean. >>>They >>>> >are >>>> >> >>> easy to dive with a tls 350, c4 14 size light and a weight >belt >>or >>>if >>>> >you >>>> >> >>> must a v weight. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> check out Georges article on wkpp.org if you doubt what i am >>>telling >>>> >you. >>>> >> >>> Its right there in black and white.or read below. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Marv >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> From "Equipment Configuration", G. Irvine, wkpp.org >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> " For ocean, aluminum 80's are the tank of choice. If more >gas >>is >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > needed, >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>> take an aluminum stage, but don't risk your life being over >>>weighted >>>> >at >>>> >> >>> the beginning of the dive. The buoyancy characteristics of >>>aluminum, >>>> >> >>> especially when using helium , are such that a weight belt and >>or >>>> >> >>> canister light will provide the necessary ballast which can be >>>dropped >>>> >> >>> in an emergency, making the rig only reasonably negative when >>>full, >>>> >> >>> neutral when empty, but swimable by dropping the weight. " >>>> >> >>> ----George Irvine >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Paul Braunbehrens wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> I already replaced a bunch of stuff, this is not the >beginning >>of >>>> >> >>>> switching to a DIR setup. The DIR tanks cost $900 and weigh >a >>>ton. I >>>> >> >>>> can't stomach it in my pocketbook or knees right now. >Someone >>>else >>>> >said >>>> >> >>>> my tanks will work for now. >>>> >> >>>> Kevin Connell wrote: >>>> >> >>>> ~ >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>>> So what's the problem paul, you only need to replace your >>tanks >>>and >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > your >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>> fins. you did way better than I did, I had to replace >>>everything. >>>> >> >>>>> Dry gloves are OK as long as the wrist seal is intact. >>>> >> >>>>> Drysuit is fine. it's compressed. Actually a nice suit if >>you >>>ask >>>> >me. >>>> >> >>>>> You won't need the weights with proper tanks. >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> At 11:23 AM 2/20/2001 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens wrote: >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> Chris, I've had the twin jets since before I was exposed to >>>DIR. I >>>> >> >>>>>> also have a neoprene drysuit, a set of HP doubles, and an >>>atomic >>>> >> >>>>>> regulator. Sorry, I just don't have $2k sitting around >right >>>now >>>> >to >>>> >> >>>>>> change all my gear. I'm trying to figure out what I can >use >>in >>>the >>>> >> >>>>>> tech 1 class, and what I need to change. In the real world >>you >>>> >need >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> > to >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>> make some compromises. It's either do the class with most >of >>>the >>>> >gear >>>> >> >>>>>> I have now, or wait until I have the money to switch all my >>>gear >>>> >> >>>>>> around, and that could be a while. So I"m trying to figure >>out >>>> >what >>>> >> >>>>>> will "work", and what I absolutely have to replace now. I >>just >>>> >priced >>>> >> >>>>>> the jet fins, they are a minor expense, I'll be getting >them >>>> >shortly. >>>> >> >>>>>> Thanks for your offer to let me borrow your stuff, BTW, but >>>I've >>>> >long >>>> >> >>>>>> since learned that you need to train using your own gear, >if >>>the >>>> >> >>>>>> training is to be worth anything. >>>> >> >>>>>> Just for kicks, here is a list of what I'm using, as you >can >>>see >>>> >I've >>>> >> >>>>>> already blown a lot of money... >>>> >> >>>>>> PST HP 100 doubles with isolator manifold >>>> >> >>>>>> G250/M20 on a necklace, and Atomic on a 7 ft hose. >>>> >> >>>>>> brass spg. >>>> >> >>>>>> 10 W HID >>>> >> >>>>>> Halcyon integrated weights >>>> >> >>>>>> OMS SS backplate >>>> >> >>>>>> Harness (webbing from EE, the other stuff I had laying >>around) >>>> >> >>>>>> 2 EE backup lights >>>> >> >>>>>> Diving Concepts compressed neoprene drysuit >>>> >> >>>>>> Halcyon 65 lb wing (I have some bondage wings sitting in my >>>garage >>>> >in >>>> >> >>>>>> case anyone wants them) >>>> >> >>>>>> Twin jet fins with spring straps (soon to be Jet fins) >>>> >> >>>>>> Halcyon lift bag >>>> >> >>>>>> Halcyon Sausage >>>> >> >>>>>> Dry gloves with ring system (this was a poor choice, but >I'm >>>stuck >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> > with >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>> it for now). >>>> >> >>>>>> So here is the question really. I just don't have the >bucks >>to >>>> >change >>>> >> >>>>>> the drysuit and the tanks right now, and I'm sure those two >>are >>>the >>>> >> >>>>>> worst offenders. Should I postpone the class until I've >>>changed >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> > those, >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>> or should I take the class now? >>>> >> >>>>>> Please advise. >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> Chris Elmore wrote: >>>> >> >>>>>> ~ >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>> Paul, >>>> >> >>>>>>> George was right, "What are we going to do with you?" >>>I've >>>> >been >>>> >> >>>>>>> diving >>>> >> >>>>>>> since '68 and a pressure gauge is the only thing that made >>it >>>past >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > the >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> DIR >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> purge. To clarify: DIR stands for Doing It Right. It >doesn't >>>mean >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > Doing >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> It >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> Half-assed Until Later. You keep asking questions, getting >>>good >>>> >> >>>>>>> answers then >>>> >> >>>>>>> buying crap anyway. Sign up for a GUE course and I'll let >>you >>>> >borrow >>>> >> >>>>>>> all my >> >> >> >>>>>>> stuff for the week. Geez, put the coffee on. >>>> >> >>>>>>> C. >>>> >> >>>>>>> Chris Elmore >>>> >> >>>>>>> PalmettoSoft Technologies Corp. >>>> >> >>>>>>> (803) 233-2001 (work) >>>> >> >>>>>>> (803) 348-3055 (mobile) >>>> >> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> >>>>>>> From: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*> >>>> >> >>>>>>> To: <thomas@ha*.ne*>; Steve Schultz >>>> >> >>>>>>> <se2schul@bl*.ma*.uw*.ca*>; >>>> >> >>>>>>> Stefan Bolka <sbolka@er*.co*> >>>> >> >>>>>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; GUE Mailing List >><quest@gu*.co*> >>>> >> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:59 AM >>>> >> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Fins question >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> Because I've been diving for a couple of decades, and >>happen >>>to >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > have >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> some equipment that I purchased before I was exposed to >>DIR. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> DUH! >>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thomas Tukker wrote: >>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~ >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >Hmmm, never seen any of those in Wakulla... >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >Guess you're in for another purchase. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >Why not buy what you see all DIR divers wear in the >first >>>> >place, >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> that >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> might >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >be a money saving strategy if you have a limited budget >>to >>>work >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> with >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> Paul. >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >TT >>>> >> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> From: Paul Braunbehrens >[mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*] >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:07 AM >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> To: Steve Schultz; Stefan Bolka >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; GUE Mailing List >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Fins question >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Steve, that's not my experience. I was also >wondering >>>if >>>> >the >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> twin >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> jets are DIR, 'cause when I got a dry suit and had >to >>>get >>>> >> >>>>>>>> larger fins >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I did get the twin jets. As far as how well they >>work, >>>they >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> work >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> very well. No cramps, and you will move faster. >They >>>don't >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> "feel" >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> like you're doing much work, i.e. there isn't much >>>> >resistance >>>> >> >>>>>>>> to work >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> against, but if you compare against known variables >>>you'll >>>> >see >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> that > >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> your speed under water has improved. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I sure hope they're ok, 'cause I'm already going to >>blow >>>a >>>> >lot >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> of >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> > >> money on other stuff including the tech1 class, and >>>don't >>>> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > want >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> to >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> have to buy fins as well. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Cheers. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Steve Schultz wrote: >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> ~ >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >Stefan, >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >Data can be manipulated statistically to serve >>whoever >>>is >>>> >> >>>>>>>> publishing >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>> the >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >info. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >When you read info about fin efficiency, see who is >>>> > > >>>>>>> >>>> >> > publishing >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> the >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> data, >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >and ask yourself if they have something to gain. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >More importantly, try it yourself in the water. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >I tried the bio-fin a couple years ago when appollo >>>> >sponsored >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> an >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >expedition. I found the fins sucked. I mean >really >>>> >> >>>>>>>> sucked. I dive >> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>> Jets >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >and only Jets now. Give me 10 pairs of bio-fins for >>>free, >>>> >and >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> I'll >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> still >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >be diving my Jets. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >Whoever said bio-fins are more efficient probably >>>didn't >>>> >have >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> calf >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >muscles, or they sell them. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >BTW, the best DIR equipment list so far is on the >>WKPP >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > website. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>> George >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >posted his configuration. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >ss >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Stefan Bolka wrote: >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Ok this is probably gonna get me hurt but... >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Has anyone thought about the natures wing, i.e. >>>scubapro >>>> >> >>>>>>>> twin jet >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>fins or Apollo bio fin for DIR. I ask because I >>>recognize >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> that >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>many of us (like me) do not have scooters and the >>test >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > numbers >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>showing better efficiency sound encouraging. Do >>these >>>> >work >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> for >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>frog kicks? Could they be used for tech. and not >>cave >>>or >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> cavern? >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> I am asking because I am trying to start making >a >>>"DIR >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> approved >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>equipment list". yes I have too much time on my >>hands >>>and >>>> >> >>>>>>>> figured >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>it makes sense to try and help new divers get into >>DIR >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>methodologies so I am working on a FAQ. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> If anyone has start a FAQ and not finished let >me >>>know, >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > I'll >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> help finish it. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Thanks for the help, >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> Stefan. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> > >>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> -- >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Paul B. >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >>-- >>>- >>>> >- >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> -- >>>> >> >>>>>>>> Paul B. >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >>- >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> - >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >>>> >> >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>> -- Paul B. >>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >>-- >>>- >>>> >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >>>> >> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >>>`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>> >> >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >>>> >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >>>`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>> >> >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >>>> >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >> >> >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >>>`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>> >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >>>`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >-- >>>> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >>`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Paul B. >>>> >>> >>>-- >>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >>-- >>Paul B. >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >-- >Paul B. >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Paul B. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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