Get the gas out of the legs and then do it. You will get to where you can
put the legs anywhere. I tow stage bottles on my legs by adding gas to them,
or hold them anywhere. A DUI TLS drysuit is magic in the right hands.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 8:58 PM
To: George Irvine
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question


My problem is that if I put myself in a horizontal position in the
water my legs start floating up.

George Irvine wrote:
~
>Paul, all tanks are top heavy. That is what you want. The heavy part is
over
>your buoyant lungs and the light part is over your heavy legs .  The best
>trim is horizontal.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Braunbehrens" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
>To: "George Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>; "Marv" <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
>Cc: <allysonclagett@ea*.ne*>; "'Kevin Connell'" <kevin@co*.ne*>;
>"'Chris Elmore'" <elmorec@at*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:47 AM
>Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question
>
>
>>  What about the argument that some tanks are top heavy making it
>>  harder to achieve proper trim in the ocean?
>>
>>
>>  George Irvine wrote:
>>  ~
>>  >I keep saying it -  weight yourself so that with little or no gas you
can
>>  >hover at ten feet, and with full gas you can swim up with no inflation
by
>>  >dropping something.
>>  >
>>  >That covers it.
>>  >
>>  >For tank choice in ocean, big heavy tanks are dangerous boat diving, so
>are
>>  >not my first choice. I'd rather add a stage and dive it dry , leaving
my
>>  >back gas intact.
>>  >
>>  >Cave diving is different in that you need more gas to go farther and
the
>>  >decompression is in a safe environment,not open sea with all its
>vagaries.
>>  >
>>  >----- Original Message -----
>>  >From: "Marv" <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
>>  >To: "George Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>>  >Cc: <allysonclagett@ea*.ne*>; "'Kevin Connell'"
><kevin@co*.ne*>;
>>  >"'Paul Braunbehrens'" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>; "'Chris Elmore'"
>>  ><elmorec@at*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>  >Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:28 PM
>>  >Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>  Geroge,
>>  >>
>>  >>  I am more or less the instigator of this mess , and I would like to
>just
>>  >>  bring a couple of things more into focus.
>>  >>
>>  >>  If you had limited funds< like Paul does> which tank would you buy,
>the
>>  >>  al80s or the 104s, if you were only diving ocean?
>>  >>
>>  >>  Why exactly is the 80 the "tank of choice" for the ocean? Is there
>some
>>  >>  reason besides buoyancy and  cost?
>>  >>
>>  >>  What is more important on a deco dive inthe ocean, ability to
>ultimately
>>  >>  surface by ditching weight to become positive or  remaining beneath
>the
>>  >>  deco ceiling by other means< buddy support divers bring gas, etc>
>>  >>
>>  >>  I am thinking that your primary concern in the ocean  is drowning,
>>  >>  followed by inert gas concerns. Which is more or less important to
the
>>  >>  dir diver in the ocean?
>>  >>
>>  >>  Did i misquote you or miss some context in your original
article<where
>i
>>  >>  quoted from your gear config piece re al 80s in the ocean, which is
in
>>  >>  the morass below.> ?
>>  >>
>>  >>  Thanks,
>>  >>
>>  >>  Marv
>>  >>
>>  >>  George Irvine wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>  > Think of it this way , Allyson: whatever you are wearing, you
should
>be
>>  >able
>>  >>  > to stay at ten feet with almost no gas, and you should be able to
>swim
>>  >up
>>  >>  > from depth with no inflation of any kind ( by dropping
something ).
>If
>>  >you
>>  >>  > can do that, you are DIR. If not, you are a moron ( not you,
>Allyson ).
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > ----- Original Message -----
>>  >>  > From: "Allyson" <allysonclagett@ea*.ne*>
>>  >>  > To: "'Kevin Connell'" <kevin@co*.ne*>; "'Marv'"
>>  ><ajmarve@ba*.ne*>;
>>  >>  > "'Paul Braunbehrens'" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
>>  >>  > Cc: "'Chris Elmore'" <elmorec@at*.ne*>;
><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>  >>  > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:00 PM
>>  >>  > Subject: RE: DIHUL, was: Fins question
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >> Hi Marv,
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> You're right, George Irvine's "Doing It Right Gear Configuration"
>>  >article
>>  >>  >> says that for ocean diving "aluminum 80's are the tank of
choice."
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > However
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >> the article also says "in ocean or lake diving, steel tanks
should
>>  >never
>  > >>  >
>>  >>  > be
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >> used without a drysuit."
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> So what I surmise from the article is, if you are diving in the
>ocean
>>  >in a
>>  >>  >> wetsuit, definitely use aluminum 80's--with a wetsuit, never use
>steel
>>  >>  >> tanks.  If you are diving a drysuit in the ocean, using steel
tanks
>is
>>  >>  >> acceptable (as you will need less weight elsewhere on your
person.)
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> ~Allyson
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> -----Original Message-----
>>  >>  >> From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@co*.ne*]
>>  >>  >> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:08 AM
>>  >>  >> To: Marv; Paul Braunbehrens
>>  >>  >> Cc: Chris Elmore; techdiver@aquanaut.com; GUE Mailing List
>>  >>  >> Subject: Re: DIHUL, was: Fins question
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> Marv, is it DIR because you read something george wrote (out of
>>  >>  >> context)  and you happen to use the same equipment?
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> Can you come out here and retrain everyone, maybe offer some
>lectures
>>  >on
>>  >>  >> DIR?   We seem to be stroking out big time with steel tanks.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> armchair  diving at its finest.
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> At 11:37 PM 2/20/2001 -0500, Marv wrote:
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>> THis is not just a Paul thing but since he brougth it up, its
the
>>  >ideal
>>  >>  >>> place for it.
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> If you are diving in the ocean , what is the ideal tank?
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> not what tank can you make work or what tank is kind of ok, but
>what
>>  >tank
>>  >>  >>> is DIR??
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> its the   ALUMINUM 80
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> These tanks are one third the cost of steel whatevers and one
>fifth
>>  >the
>>  >>  >>> weight.
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> They are the ultimate tank in terms of buoyancy, when
>>  >manifolded&doubled
>>  >>  >>> up with a steel plate for drysuit diving you will not realize
you
>are
>>  >>  >>> wearing tanks, they have more than enuff gas for most reasonable
>>  >dives,
>>  >>  >>> and they are by definition the dir tank of choice for the ocean.
>They
>>  >are
>>  >>  >>> easy to dive with a tls 350, c4 14 size light and a weight belt
or
>if
>>  >you
>>  >>  >>> must a v weight.
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> check out Georges article on wkpp.org if you doubt what i am
>telling
>>  >you.
>>  >>  >>> Its right there in black and white.or read below.
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> Marv
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> From "Equipment Configuration", G. Irvine, wkpp.org
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> "  For ocean, aluminum 80's are the tank of choice. If more gas
is
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  > needed,
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>> take an aluminum stage, but don't risk your life being over
>weighted
>>  >at
>>  >>  >>> the beginning of the dive. The buoyancy characteristics of
>aluminum,
>>  >>  >>> especially when using helium , are such that a weight belt and
or
>>  >>  >>> canister light will provide the necessary ballast which can be
>dropped
>>  >>  >>> in an emergency, making the rig only reasonably negative when
>full,
>>  >>  >>> neutral when empty, but swimable by dropping the weight. "
>>  >>  >>>                  ----George Irvine
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>> Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>>  >>  >>>
>>  >>  >>>> I already replaced a bunch of stuff, this is not the beginning
of
>>  >>  >>>> switching to a DIR setup.  The DIR tanks cost $900 and weigh a
>ton. I
>>  >>  >>>> can't stomach it in my pocketbook or knees right now.  Someone
>else
>>  >said
>>  >>  >>>> my tanks will work for now.
>>  >>  >>>> Kevin Connell wrote:
>>  >>  >>>> ~
>>  >>  >>>>
>>  >>  >>>>> So what's the problem paul, you only need to replace your
tanks
>and
>>  >>  >>>>
>>  >>  > your
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>> fins.  you did way better than I did, I had to replace
>everything.
>>  >>  >>>>> Dry gloves are OK as long as the wrist seal is intact.
>>  >>  >>>>> Drysuit is fine.  it's compressed.  Actually a nice suit if
you
>ask
>>  >me.
>>  >>  >>>>> You won't need the weights with proper tanks.
>>  >>  >>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>> At 11:23 AM 2/20/2001 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>>  >>  >>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>> Chris, I've had the twin jets since before I was exposed to
>DIR.  I
>>  >>  >>>>>> also have a neoprene drysuit, a set of HP doubles, and an
>atomic
>>  >>  >>>>>> regulator.  Sorry, I just don't have $2k sitting around right
>now
>>  >to
>>  >>  >>>>>> change all my gear.  I'm trying to figure out what I can use
in
>the
>>  >>  >>>>>> tech 1 class, and what I need to change.  In the real world
you
>>  >need
>>  >>  >>>>>
>>  >>  > to
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>> make some compromises.  It's either do the class with most of
>the
>>  >gear
>>  >>  >>>>>> I have now, or wait until I have the money to switch all my
>gear
>>  >>  >>>>>> around, and that could be a while.  So I"m trying to figure
out
>>  >what
>>  >>  >>>>>> will "work", and what I absolutely have to replace now.  I
just
>>  >priced
>>  >>  >>>>>> the jet fins, they are a minor expense, I'll be getting them
>>  >shortly.
>>  >>  >>>>>> Thanks for your offer to let me borrow your stuff, BTW, but
>I've
>>  >long
>>  >>  >>>>>> since learned that you need to train using your own gear, if
>the
>>  >>  >>>>>> training is to be worth anything.
>>  >>  >>>>>> Just for kicks, here is a list of what I'm using, as you can
>see
>>  >I've
>>  >>  >>>>>> already blown a lot of money...
>>  >>  >>>>>> PST HP 100 doubles with isolator manifold
>>  >>  >>>>>> G250/M20 on a necklace, and Atomic on a 7 ft hose.
>>  >>  >>>>>> brass spg.
>>  >>  >>>>>> 10 W HID
>>  >>  >>>>>> Halcyon integrated weights
>>  >>  >>>>>> OMS SS backplate
>>  >>  >>>>>> Harness (webbing from EE, the other stuff I had laying
around)
>>  >>  >>>>>> 2 EE backup lights
>>  >>  >>>>>> Diving Concepts compressed neoprene drysuit
>>  >>  >>>>>> Halcyon 65 lb wing (I have some bondage wings sitting in my
>garage
>>  >in
>>  >>  >>>>>> case anyone wants them)
>>  >>  >>>>>> Twin jet fins with spring straps (soon to be Jet fins)
>>  >>  >>>>>> Halcyon lift bag
>>  >>  >>>>>> Halcyon Sausage
>>  >>  >>>>>> Dry gloves with ring system (this was a poor choice, but I'm
>stuck
>>  >>  >>>>>
>>  >>  > with
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>> it for now).
>>  >>  >>>>>> So here is the question really.  I just don't have the bucks
to
>>  >change
>>  >>  >>>>>> the drysuit and the tanks right now, and I'm sure those two
are
>the
>>  >>  >>>>>> worst offenders.  Should I postpone the class until I've
>changed
>>  >>  >>>>>
>>  >>  > those,
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>> or should I take the class now?
>>  >>  >>>>>> Please advise.
>>  >>  >>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>> Chris Elmore wrote:
>>  >>  >>>>>> ~
>>  >>  >>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> Paul,
>>  >>  >>>>>>>      George was right, "What are we going to do with you?"
>I've
>>  >been
>>  >>  >>>>>>> diving
>>  >>  >>>>>>> since '68 and a pressure gauge is the only thing that made
it
>past
>>  >>  >>>>>>
>>  >>  > the
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >> DIR
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> purge. To clarify: DIR stands for Doing It Right. It doesn't
>mean
>>  >>  >>>>>>
>>  >>  > Doing
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >> It
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> Half-assed Until Later. You keep asking questions, getting
>good
>>  >>  >>>>>>> answers then
>>  >>  >>>>>>> buying crap anyway. Sign up for a GUE course and I'll let
you
>>  >borrow
>>  >>  >>>>>>> all my
>>  >>  >>>>>>> stuff for the week. Geez, put the coffee on.
>>  >>  >>>>>>> C.
>>  >>  >>>>>>> Chris Elmore
>>  >>  >>>>>>> PalmettoSoft Technologies Corp.
>>  >>  >>>>>>> (803) 233-2001 (work)
>>  >>  >>>>>>> (803) 348-3055 (mobile)
>>  >>  >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  >>  >>>>>>> From: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> To: <thomas@ha*.ne*>; Steve Schultz
>>  >>  >>>>>>> <se2schul@bl*.ma*.uw*.ca*>;
>>  >>  >>>>>>> Stefan Bolka <sbolka@er*.co*>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; GUE Mailing List
<quest@gu*.co*>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:59 AM
>>  >>  >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Fins question
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  Because I've been diving for a couple of decades, and
happen
>to
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  > have
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  some equipment that I purchased before I was exposed to
DIR.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  DUH!
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  Thomas Tukker wrote:
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  ~
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >Hmmm, never seen any of those in Wakulla...
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >Guess you're in for another purchase.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >Why not buy what you see all DIR divers wear in the first
>>  >place,
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> that
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> might
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >be a money saving strategy if you have a limited budget
to
>work
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> with
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> Paul.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >TT
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  -----Original Message-----
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*]
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:07 AM
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  To: Steve Schultz; Stefan Bolka
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; GUE Mailing List
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Subject: Re: Fins question
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Steve, that's not my experience.  I was also wondering
>if
>>  >the
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> twin
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  jets are DIR, 'cause when I got a dry suit and had to
>get
>>  >>  >>>>>>>> larger fins
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  I did get the twin jets.  As far as how well they
work,
>they
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> work
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  very well.  No cramps, and you will move faster.  They
>don't
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> "feel"
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  like you're doing much work, i.e. there isn't much
>>  >resistance
>>  >>  >>>>>>>> to work
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  against, but if you compare against known variables
>you'll
>>  >see
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> that
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  your speed under water has improved.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  I sure hope they're ok, 'cause I'm already going to
blow
>a
>>  >lot
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> of
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>  > >>  money on other stuff including the tech1 class, and
>don't
>>  >>  >>>>>>
>>  >>  > want
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >> to
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  have to buy fins as well.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Cheers.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  Steve Schultz wrote:
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  ~
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >Stefan,
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >Data can be manipulated statistically to serve
whoever
>is
>>  >>  >>>>>>>> publishing
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> the
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >info.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >When you read info about fin efficiency, see who is
>>  >  > >>>>>>>
>>  >>  > publishing
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >> the
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> data,
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >and ask yourself if they have something to gain.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >More importantly, try it yourself in the water.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >I tried the bio-fin a couple years ago when appollo
>>  >sponsored
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> an
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >expedition.  I found the fins sucked.  I mean really
>>  >>  >>>>>>>> sucked.  I dive
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> Jets
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >and only Jets now. Give me 10 pairs of bio-fins for
>free,
>>  >and
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> I'll
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>> still
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >be diving my Jets.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >Whoever said bio-fins are more efficient probably
>didn't
>>  >have
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> calf
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >muscles, or they sell them.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >BTW, the best DIR equipment list so far is on the
WKPP
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  > website.
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>> George
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >posted his configuration.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >ss
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Stefan Bolka wrote:
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Ok this is probably gonna get me hurt but...
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Has anyone thought about the natures wing, i.e.
>scubapro
>>  >>  >>>>>>>> twin jet
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>fins or Apollo bio fin for DIR.  I ask because I
>recognize
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> that
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>many of us (like me) do not have scooters and the
test
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  > numbers
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>showing better efficiency sound encouraging.  Do
these
>>  >work
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> for
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>frog kicks?  Could they be used for tech. and not
cave
>or
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> cavern?
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  I am asking because I am trying to start making a
>"DIR
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  >> approved
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>equipment list".  yes I have too much time on my
hands
>and
>>  >>  >>>>>>>> figured
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>it makes sense to try and help new divers get into
DIR
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>methodologies so I am working on a FAQ.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  If anyone has start a FAQ and not finished let me
>know,
>>  >>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>  > I'll
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  help finish it.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Thanks for the help,
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>  Stefan.
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>  >>
>>  >>  >>>>>>>>
>>  >>
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