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As a lurker on the list, I have been following your thread. I believe that your suit meets DIR standards since it is crushed neoprene like the DUI CF 200. It is the open cell neoprene that they don't allow. The fins you are already addressing. The HID and back up lights are fine. The only other problem that you have is your tanks. If you sell the HP 100's with the manifold and buy some LP 94's-112's with the manifold it should be an even exchange. Check out the tanks on Ebay...I have made over 50 transactions through Ebay and it works. You could always borrow tanks for the class and use your own gear. I don't think borrowed tanks will effect the knowlege gained. I use rental tanks for Mexico cave diving all the time, but with my own kit without problems. Safe Diving, Lee MHK wrote: > That's what ebay is for. Sell the old stuff to someone who doesn't know any > better and then buy the right gear. Because I disagree that in the real > world you need to make compromises.. > > a couple of thousand feet back, in a silt out, compromises don't cut it.. > > Chris has already told you that you live by me and you are welcome to borrow > some gear. In fact, JJ will be giving a DIR demo the weekend of March 2,3 & > 4 in Northern and Southern California. We will have details in the next day > or so, but you should plan on attending so you can get some of the answers > that you are seeking ... > > Later > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Braunbehrens" <Bakalite@ba*.co*> > To: "Chris Elmore" <elmorec@at*.ne*> > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "GUE Mailing List" <quest@gu*.co*> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:23 AM > Subject: Re:DIHUL, was: Fins question > > > Chris, I've had the twin jets since before I was exposed to DIR. I > > also have a neoprene drysuit, a set of HP doubles, and an atomic > > regulator. Sorry, I just don't have $2k sitting around right now to > > change all my gear. I'm trying to figure out what I can use in the > > tech 1 class, and what I need to change. In the real world you need > > to make some compromises. It's either do the class with most of the > > gear I have now, or wait until I have the money to switch all my gear > > around, and that could be a while. So I"m trying to figure out what > > will "work", and what I absolutely have to replace now. I just > > priced the jet fins, they are a minor expense, I'll be getting them > > shortly. > > > > Thanks for your offer to let me borrow your stuff, BTW, but I've long > > since learned that you need to train using your own gear, if the > > training is to be worth anything. > > > > Just for kicks, here is a list of what I'm using, as you can see I've > > already blown a lot of money... > > > > PST HP 100 doubles with isolator manifold > > G250/M20 on a necklace, and Atomic on a 7 ft hose. > > brass spg. > > 10 W HID > > Halcyon integrated weights > > OMS SS backplate > > Harness (webbing from EE, the other stuff I had laying around) > > 2 EE backup lights > > Diving Concepts compressed neoprene drysuit > > Halcyon 65 lb wing (I have some bondage wings sitting in my garage in > > case anyone wants them) > > Twin jet fins with spring straps (soon to be Jet fins) > > Halcyon lift bag > > Halcyon Sausage > > Dry gloves with ring system (this was a poor choice, but I'm stuck > > with it for now). > > > > So here is the question really. I just don't have the bucks to > > change the drysuit and the tanks right now, and I'm sure those two > > are the worst offenders. Should I postpone the class until I've > > changed those, or should I take the class now? > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > Chris Elmore wrote: > > ~ > > >Paul, > > > George was right, "What are we going to do with you?" I've been > diving > > >since '68 and a pressure gauge is the only thing that made it past the > DIR > > >purge. To clarify: DIR stands for Doing It Right. It doesn't mean Doing > It > > >Half-assed Until Later. You keep asking questions, getting good answers > then > > >buying crap anyway. Sign up for a GUE course and I'll let you borrow all > my > > >stuff for the week. Geez, put the coffee on. > > >C. > > > > > >Chris Elmore > > >PalmettoSoft Technologies Corp. > > >(803) 233-2001 (work) > > >(803) 348-3055 (mobile) > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Paul Braunbehrens <Bakalite@ba*.co*> > > >To: <thomas@ha*.ne*>; Steve Schultz > <se2schul@bl*.ma*.uw*.ca*>; > > >Stefan Bolka <sbolka@er*.co*> > > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; GUE Mailing List <quest@gu*.co*> > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:59 AM > > >Subject: RE: Fins question > > > > > > > > >> Because I've been diving for a couple of decades, and happen to have > > >> some equipment that I purchased before I was exposed to DIR. > > >> > > >> DUH! > > >> > > >> Thomas Tukker wrote: > > >> ~ > > >> >Hmmm, never seen any of those in Wakulla... > > >> >Guess you're in for another purchase. > > >> > > > >> >Why not buy what you see all DIR divers wear in the first place, that > > >might > > >> >be a money saving strategy if you have a limited budget to work with > > >Paul. > > >> > > > >> >TT > > >> > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*] > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:07 AM > > >> >> To: Steve Schultz; Stefan Bolka > > >> >> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; GUE Mailing List > > >> >> Subject: Re: Fins question > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Steve, that's not my experience. I was also wondering if the twin > > >> >> jets are DIR, 'cause when I got a dry suit and had to get larger > fins > > >> >> I did get the twin jets. As far as how well they work, they work > > >> >> very well. No cramps, and you will move faster. They don't > "feel" > > >> >> like you're doing much work, i.e. there isn't much resistance to > work > > >> >> against, but if you compare against known variables you'll see > that > > >> >> your speed under water has improved. > > >> >> > > >> >> I sure hope they're ok, 'cause I'm already going to blow a lot of > > > > >> money on other stuff including the tech1 class, and don't want to > > >> >> have to buy fins as well. > > >> >> > > >> >> Cheers. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Steve Schultz wrote: > > >> >> ~ > > >> >> >Stefan, > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Data can be manipulated statistically to serve whoever is > publishing > > >the > > >> >> >info. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >When you read info about fin efficiency, see who is publishing > the > > >data, > > >> >> >and ask yourself if they have something to gain. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >More importantly, try it yourself in the water. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >I tried the bio-fin a couple years ago when appollo sponsored an > > >> >> >expedition. I found the fins sucked. I mean really sucked. I > dive > > >Jets > > >> >> >and only Jets now. Give me 10 pairs of bio-fins for free, and > I'll > > >still > > >> >> >be diving my Jets. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Whoever said bio-fins are more efficient probably didn't have > calf > > >> >> >muscles, or they sell them. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >BTW, the best DIR equipment list so far is on the WKPP website. > > >George > > >> >> >posted his configuration. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >ss > > >> >> > > > >> >> >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Stefan Bolka wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> Ok this is probably gonna get me hurt but... > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Has anyone thought about the natures wing, i.e. scubapro twin > jet > > >> >> >>fins or Apollo bio fin for DIR. I ask because I recognize that > > >> >> >>many of us (like me) do not have scooters and the test numbers > > >> >> >>showing better efficiency sound encouraging. Do these work for > > >> >> >>frog kicks? Could they be used for tech. and not cave or > cavern? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I am asking because I am trying to start making a "DIR > approved > > >> >> >>equipment list". yes I have too much time on my hands and > figured > > >> >> >>it makes sense to try and help new divers get into DIR > > >> >> >>methodologies so I am working on a FAQ. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> If anyone has start a FAQ and not finished let me know, I'll > > >> >> help finish it. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Thanks for the help, > > >> >> >> Stefan. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > >> >> >For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > >> >> > > >> >> -- > > >> >> Paul B. > > >> >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Paul B. > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > >> > > > > -- > > Paul B. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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