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At 02:31 22/11/00 , Art Connection wrote: >-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Art Connection= [<mailto:artconnection@at*.ne*>mailto:artconnection@attglobal.net] >Gesendet: Montag, 20. November 2000 14:10 >An: Michael Waldbrenner >Betreff: Re: Fatality in Brazil > > Michael, > I can assure you that the guy's instructor do not agree with his dive= profile, that's why it made me so upset when I read e-mails calling him a= murder! People should get information before judging people they do not= even know.=20 Hold on Adriana. The dead guy's intro to cave instructor is Afonso Pinheiro= =20 Jnr right? The same IANTD bright spark who wrote about DEEP AIR DIVING.... > "My equipment consisted of double Genesis 120 on a Dive Rite back plate > with Superwings. The primary light was a mini Neutralite waist mounted= with > the MR-16 head helmet mounted. On the helmet, I also wore 4 back up= lights. > I wore two of the old model Aladin Pro dive computer on the left forearm > along with the knife and the Uwatec digital depth gauge on the right > forearm. I carried also, clipped to my left side an OMS 121 tank filled > with air. Regulators were all Poseidon Odins. Resting at the surface, I= try > to visualize my dive, a technique I tried to learn reading materials by= Tom > Mount. Breathing from the stage tank, I descended, not to quickly as I= felt > that this helped fight narcosis" >=20 > "During deco, Z=E9 Roberto ran low on air (he was diving a single 18= liter > bottle). I shared my long hose. I was saving my safety diver!" >=20 > "The dive had gone so smooth and I felt so well that I wrote in the slate > with big letters: 121 METERS (400 ft) - IT WAS SO EASY!" >=20 Then when challenged on the list for this deep air garbage, the best the=20 dumb shit could manage in reply was... > "you don't have balls to do these dives."=20 and > "Did you dive below 600' in a real exploration ??? off course not, you > don't have balls to this !!!" As for the latest deep air cave death, Blind Freddy could seed the cause-and-effect at work here. An instructor with this attitude is like a hooker with=20 clap. The customers not only get fucked, they get infected. rgrds billyw >And this kind of behavior goes against the evolution of cave/tech diving,= people should be at least, as you said, polite to discuss facts that are= important for all divers.=20 > The guy was a certified full cave diver and trimix diver and he had= all knowledge he needed. He choosed to take the risk. And the dude has no= experience in cave diving and said in an e-mail that he, actually, does not= know any cave diving instructor!!! > I'm living in Brasil. > Adriana > =20 >>----- Original Message -----=20 >>From: <mailto:Michael.Waldbrenner@wa*.de*>Michael Waldbrenner=20 >>To: <mailto:artconnection@at*.ne*>'Art Connection'=20 >>Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:34 AM >>Subject: AW: Fatality in Brazil >> >> > I did not say, at any moment, that I agree with deep-air diving.= =20 >>Good ! >> =20 >> > In my opinion fatalities do have to be openly discussed by whoever= is interested in the case, if the informations bring=20 >> > benefits for the divers. But I do not agree with the way these= informations have been put. The point is that this guy, who=20 >> =20 >> > is calling the instructors murders, dot not know these people, he do= not know anything about the way they teach. From which=20 >> > sources you got the information that his instructors incentivated him= on deep-air diving? Gustavo was free to do whatever he=20 >> > wanted. It would be crazy if we begin to blame all open water= instructors for all open water divers ( and there are many ) who=20 >> > have died in caves, for example.=20 >>Doing deep-air either means that one has not learned enough, or he is just= stupid. >>Of course one is still free to do whatever he wants, but more and more= caves are beeing closed or regulated due >>to the fact that people kill themselves... >> =20 >> > It is sad that people keep judging without any knowledge about= what they are saying. And I can assure you that the joke I=20 >> > mention was not the kind of mechanism you are thinking, and it did not= refer to the accident, it was something that means that=20 >> > if I (Adriana) have my problems he do not care about, what he said= with a very ironic way. I think that this showed how imature=20 >> > this guy is.=20 >>Then you are right, if this dude had no knowledge and only did a joke then= it is at least not polite.... >>So i agree with you on that. >> =20 >> > Don't you hesitate to call people you do not know murders? >>If they do air-diving or teach air-diving in overhead environments i don= =B4t hesitate ! >>There are better ways to do it and they are also risking their buddies= lives !=20 >> =20 >> > Adriana=20 >>Michael >> =20 >>Where are you living ? >> =20 >> =20 >>>----- Original Message -----=20 >>>From: <mailto:Michael.Waldbrenner@wa*.de*>Michael Waldbrenner=20 >>>To: <mailto:artconnection@at*.ne*>'Art Connection'=20 >>>Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:03 AM >>>Subject: AW: Fatality in Brazil >>> >>>Hello Adriana, >>> =20 >>>most agencies know that Deep-Air is plain stupidity, escpecially in caves= and some of those agencies still teach it. >>>In south France i even saw a cave-COURSE in a cave in a depth of 50m on= Air ! >>>50m on AIR in a CAVE at a COURSE ! >>> =20 >>>I would not hesitate to call them murder ! >>> =20 >>>It is as sad as it is ! >>> =20 >>>The jokes, the ranting, the fighting are mechanism like surgeons have= them. It is a kind of black humour and >>>i think it often has a good intention. >>> =20 >>>Michael (Germany) >>> =20 >>> =20 >>>-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>Von: Art Connection [mailto:artconnection@at*.ne*] >>>Gesendet: Freitag, 17. November 2000 18:02 >>>An: techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>Betreff: Fatality in Brazil >>> >>> Hi, guys. >>> I'd like to say that I feel very disapointed with some messages I= read.=20 >>> This guy, Scott, released a message from Danilo Alegrini. A behavior= that, in my opinion shows no responsability at all. How can this Danilo= judge people he does not even know?! He is releasing messages saying that= the boy's instructors are murders! And he hardly has experience in tech= dive.=20 >>> Does he think that this kind of behavior would bring any benefits= for tech dive? >>> It is a stupid behavior, don't you think? Divers from all= associations, societys, etc, should take these fatalitys as a source for= researches to avoid others to happen, not an opportunity to judge other= divers, to do self promotion, causing nonsense discussions that lead to= nothing. I sent an e-mail to this Danilo and he, very ironic, answered with= a joke. Is this person worried about the evolution of tech dive?=20 >>> Adriana =20 -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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