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From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, "Mike Strong" <divermike@fn*.ne*>
Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:09:22 -0400
If all of us insist that these guys do things properly , then they will find
a way to do that.

The problem is that when idiots like Gilliam get into the mix, we all
suffer. I can't imagine traveling 12,000 miles to dive in a great spot and
doing it on air.

We have the same problem in New Jersey, where the Seeker idiots proudly dive
air and bullshit gear, like "poney" bottles of air with air in doubles
 just to be sure there is no mistake about how dumb they are) with
slobwinders to turn the ponies on. They serve a clientele of strokes.

The harder we make it for the idiots to be idiots, the better it will be for
all of us.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Strong <divermike@fn*.ne*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: <trey@ne*.co*>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:37 PM
Subject: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on


> List:
>
> There has been some confusion about my views, and what I did or did not
say
> regarding a Truk Lagoon Trip.  Most of these messages were in the private
> forum, but I want to say all this in the open.
>
> I DO NOT support any form of deep air diving, diving below 130' without
> Helium, or any diving operation involved with Brett Gilliam, TDI, or any
of
> his buddies.  The shop I work for is taking a trip to Truk, on the boat
> Odyssey.  This vessel, at the encouraging of Bret Gilliam, allows *and*
> supports Deep air diving to depths of 200, because Gilliam says in the
> ocean you are safe to that depth.  I DO NOT agree.  It is very clear that
> this guy is a moron, and the charter company is falling victim to his
> stupidity.
>
> As for the trip, I have suggested to several members of the trip that the
> answer is to limit the diving on the trip to depths of 130 or shallower,
or
> not go at all.  (Helium, which is available, is *very* expensive, so my
> thinking is that it makes more sense to not do the deep dives, rather than
> to pay for the He)  As for the other suggestions on the list regarding
> "diving to 140 or 150, mabey the 200 foot dive...," in Truk, I also DO NOT
> agree with this.  This is the exact thing we all are trying to get away
> from, It is not safe, nor is it "OK," to do these dives without the use of
> Helium.
>
> I am a firm supporter of the DIR idea and those who have put in the time
> and effort to make it work--If you want to do it DIR in Truk, you have 3
> choices:  Pay for the gas, stay above 130, or refer to Rule #1.  Most, I
> would think would refer to Rule #1........
>
> Finally, I would like to point out that it is up to us as divers to get
the
> point across to these charters....deep air is not safe.  I hope this post
> has cleared up this mess, and that everyone knows where I stand now.
>
> Best,
>
> Mike Strong
>

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