We have always used the high ox trimix in shallow diving. Jablonksi teaches
it  as "triox". My usual brew in Ft Lauderdale is 30 he 30 ox for 100-50
foot dives. What we found is that not only do we catch a hell of a lot more
lobsters and hit a lot more fish with a spear, we see everything in the
ocean. Gee, I wonder why?

We have been doing this for years. Why waste a good dive using air or
nitrox? A) you miss things, B) the deco is not nearly as successful in terms
of how you feel later as it is when there is helium in the mix.

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>
To: Tim Ross <diverse@un*.on*.ca*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Trey
<trey@ne*.co*>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on


> You are the first I have heard of this, and I talk to a *lot* of divers.
>
> I am very interested in learning about the specifics of your course.
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Ross <diverse@un*.on*.ca*>
> To: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Trey
> <trey@ne*.co*>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:20 PM
> Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on
>
>
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > I agree that hyperoxic trimix, or helitrox is an excellent way to go. I
> have
> > been personally diving and teaching it for years. In my shop I charge
only
> > marginally more than a nitrox fill .
> >
> > I don't know where you are coming from with the NAUI normoxic trimix
> course
> > stuff though. Perhaps I am mistaken, but as far as I know, other than
the
> > obvious few, NAUI is the only main stream agency that fully embraces
> > Helitrox. We have an excellent course already in place, which is fairly
> > priced. Many of us, including most of the leadership of NAUI Tech,
follow
> > the practices of DIR. My shop has been for some time, and will continue
to
> > be dedicated to the pricipals of DIR at all levels of training. Please
do
> > not lump us together with the likes of IANTD or TDI.
> > It continues to be a very hard road, to educate the diving public on the
> > advantages of DIR and mix over deep air. Before making such a
generalized
> > statement, please conduct some research. I would be happy to assist you
in
> > any way possible.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Tim Ross
> > Diverse-Tech
> > NAUI Tech Canada
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>
> > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on
> >
> >
> > > The next thing we have to work on is a way to get the agencies to
> embrace
> > > hyperoxic trimix, and get it into the hands of advanced level
> recreational
> > > divers. I have been turning people on to HOTx for 6 months, but there
> are
> > > several problems:
> > >
> > > Most people are charging .65 to .75 a foot for He, which is ludicrous,
> > since
> > > the cost is a round .13 a foot. The typical reasons are "because I
have
> to
> > > buy a compressor" blah, blah, blah. As a parallel, one of my buds has
an
> > > office supply biz. He has two copiers that cost more than any
> compressor,
> > > and he gets a nickel a copy off one, and .25 a copy from the other.
> Others
> > > sell double fills of trimix for 80 to 120 dollars. We can double the
> money
> > > on our gas at $16 for singles, and around $28 to $32 for most dubs.
This
> > rip
> > > off has to be brought to light as well.
> > >
> > > NO ONE should have to take $9,000 worth of TDI or IANTD training to be
> > able
> > > to use the gas, which, in reality, is *safer* than air for diving.
> > > Without a trimix shingle, or a guy like me who will do a fill for
people
> I
> > > know, they are unable to use the gas anywhere else, unless they blend
it
> > in
> > > their garage, which many are doing.
> > >
> > > I took a gent out yesterday to dive on the gas, and he was amazed at
how
> > > much better he felt afterwards. Normally, his hands really hurt after
> > diving
> > > air (slightly arthritic), but HOTx didn't have that effect.
> > >
> > > I brought this up to the "instructor base" over on rec.scuba, and they
> > > howled like a bunch of mashed cats. NAUI and IANTD totally missed the
> ball
> > > on this one with their "Normoxic trimix course", which is just another
> way
> > > to separate you from your money.
> > >
> > > Before anyone starts screaming, lets just remember the noise made when
> > > Nitrox was suggested for recreational divers. Mountains of dead divers
> > were
> > > predicted...
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Mike Strong <divermike@fn*.ne*>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 1:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on
> > >
> > >
> > > > If all of us insist that these guys do things properly , then they
> will
> > > find
> > > > a way to do that.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is that when idiots like Gilliam get into the mix, we
all
> > > > suffer. I can't imagine traveling 12,000 miles to dive in a great
spot
> > and
> > > > doing it on air.
> > > >
> > > > We have the same problem in New Jersey, where the Seeker idiots
> proudly
> > > dive
> > > > air and bullshit gear, like "poney" bottles of air with air in
doubles
> > > >  just to be sure there is no mistake about how dumb they are) with
> > > > slobwinders to turn the ponies on. They serve a clientele of
strokes.
> > > >
> > > > The harder we make it for the idiots to be idiots, the better it
will
> be
> > > for
> > > > all of us.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Mike Strong <divermike@fn*.ne*>
> > > > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > > Cc: <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:37 PM
> > > > Subject: clarification was: An the beat goes on and on
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > List:
> > > > >
> > > > > There has been some confusion about my views, and what I did or
did
> > not
> > > > say
> > > > > regarding a Truk Lagoon Trip.  Most of these messages were in the
> > > private
> > > > > forum, but I want to say all this in the open.
> > > > >
> > > > > I DO NOT support any form of deep air diving, diving below 130'
> > without
> > > > > Helium, or any diving operation involved with Brett Gilliam, TDI,
or
> > any
> > > > of
> > > > > his buddies.  The shop I work for is taking a trip to Truk, on the
> > boat
> > > > > Odyssey.  This vessel, at the encouraging of Bret Gilliam, allows
> > *and*
> > > > > supports Deep air diving to depths of 200, because Gilliam says in
> the
> > > > > ocean you are safe to that depth.  I DO NOT agree.  It is very
clear
> > > that
> > > > > this guy is a moron, and the charter company is falling victim to
> his
> > > > > stupidity.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for the trip, I have suggested to several members of the trip
> that
> > > the
> > > > > answer is to limit the diving on the trip to depths of 130 or
> > shallower,
> > > > or
> > > > > not go at all.  (Helium, which is available, is *very* expensive,
so
> > my
> > > > > thinking is that it makes more sense to not do the deep dives,
> rather
> > > than
> > > > > to pay for the He)  As for the other suggestions on the list
> regarding
> > > > > "diving to 140 or 150, mabey the 200 foot dive...," in Truk, I
also
> DO
> > > NOT
> > > > > agree with this.  This is the exact thing we all are trying to get
> > away
> > > > > from, It is not safe, nor is it "OK," to do these dives without
the
> > use
> > > of
> > > > > Helium.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a firm supporter of the DIR idea and those who have put in
the
> > time
> > > > > and effort to make it work--If you want to do it DIR in Truk, you
> have
> > 3
> > > > > choices:  Pay for the gas, stay above 130, or refer to Rule #1.
> Most,
> > I
> > > > > would think would refer to Rule #1........
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, I would like to point out that it is up to us as divers
to
> > get
> > > > the
> > > > > point across to these charters....deep air is not safe.  I hope
this
> > > post
> > > > > has cleared up this mess, and that everyone knows where I stand
now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Strong
> > > > >
> > > >
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