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From: "Stan Dilcher" <divewrecks@ho*.co*>
To: shimell@se*.co*, divewrecks@ho*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: Thanks for Apeks Info!
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:41:40 PDT
Thanks for the description David. Most who don't dive cold have recommended 
the non-sealed. Why is this the case given the internals are so similar? 
More compact? Fewer parts? Less failure prone? My diving will be mostly 
saltwater, non-cold. At what water temp does freezing become a concern?

Thanks again,
Stan Dilcher


>From: "Shimell, David (shimell)" <shimell@se*.co*>
>To: Stan Dilcher <divewrecks@ho*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject: RE: Thanks for Apeks Info!
>Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 05:08:44 -0700
>
>Stan
>
> >Can someone please comment on the advantages/disadvantages of sealed vs.
> >non-sealed first stages (as in the Apeks models)? I'm not sure I 
>understand
> >the difference or if one has a higher potential for failure in certain
> >conditions. I don't plan on cold water diving at this point.
>
>The sealed version differs only in that it has a slightly longer first 
>stage
>and what looks like a silicone environmental seal.  In the event of the 
>seal
>being damaged, water will ingress and you now have an unsealed first stage
>just like a US4.  Thus, an environmental seal failure will not be a 
>problem.
>
>To explain further.  Inside the sealed compartment are the same innards as 
>a
>US4 - A SS spring, screw thrust adjuster, pressure cap and diaphragm.  It 
>is
>the diaphragm that seals the remaining functional parts of the first stage
>innards from water.  So if you lose the environmental seal the diaphragm
>provides a (second) water seal just like a US4.
>
>The environmental seal simply prevents water getting inside where the lack 
>of
>water motion and well conducted cooling due to pressure drop could result 
>in
>ice formation.  I dive all year round in the UK with no problems when using
>sensible precautions. I have no experience in sub 4 deg C conditions so 
>don't
>read anything into the suitability for this sort of diving.
>
>David Shimell
>shimell@se*.co* <mailto:shimell@se*.co*>
>DDI: 01932 814096 * Mobile: 07770 282 202 * Fax: 01932 814343
>Project Manager, IBM UK Web Server Group, Sequent Computer Systems Ltd,
>Weybridge Business Park, Addlestone Road, Weybridge, Surrey, KT15 2UF, UK
>registered in England and Wales under company number: 1999363, registered
>office as above
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Stan Dilcher [SMTP:divewrecks@ho*.co*]
>Sent:	Sunday, May 28, 2000 8:16 PM
>To:	techdiver@aquanaut.com
>Subject:	Thanks for Apeks Info!
>
>Thanks to the many people who have provided information in response to the
>Apeks regulator questions I posed. It looks like recommendations point to
>the the US4/TX40 combo. This will be for my first doubles rig that I am
>doing some advanced planning for. At present I am planning on a Scuba Pro
>R380 for a backup. My main diving interest is ocean/wreck diving.
>
>Can someone please comment on the advantages/disadvantages of sealed vs.
>non-sealed first stages (as in the Apeks models)? I'm not sure I understand
>the difference or if one has a higher potential for failure in certain
>conditions. I don't plan on cold water diving at this point.
>
>If anyone can provide any US dealer info with regards to a US4 DIN/TX40
>combo I would appreciate it.
>
>Thanks again to everyone who responded,
>Stan Dilcher
>
>
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