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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:42:45 -0400
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: Stan Dilcher <divewrecks@ho*.co*>
CC: shimell@se*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Thanks for Apeks Info!
Back off the IP and you do not need sealed for cold.


Stan Dilcher wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the description David. Most who don't dive cold have recommended
> the non-sealed. Why is this the case given the internals are so similar?
> More compact? Fewer parts? Less failure prone? My diving will be mostly
> saltwater, non-cold. At what water temp does freezing become a concern?
> 
> Thanks again,
> Stan Dilcher
> 
> >From: "Shimell, David (shimell)" <shimell@se*.co*>
> >To: Stan Dilcher <divewrecks@ho*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: RE: Thanks for Apeks Info!
> >Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 05:08:44 -0700
> >
> >Stan
> >
> > >Can someone please comment on the advantages/disadvantages of sealed vs.
> > >non-sealed first stages (as in the Apeks models)? I'm not sure I
> >understand
> > >the difference or if one has a higher potential for failure in certain
> > >conditions. I don't plan on cold water diving at this point.
> >
> >The sealed version differs only in that it has a slightly longer first
> >stage
> >and what looks like a silicone environmental seal.  In the event of the
> >seal
> >being damaged, water will ingress and you now have an unsealed first stage
> >just like a US4.  Thus, an environmental seal failure will not be a
> >problem.
> >
> >To explain further.  Inside the sealed compartment are the same innards as
> >a
> >US4 - A SS spring, screw thrust adjuster, pressure cap and diaphragm.  It
> >is
> >the diaphragm that seals the remaining functional parts of the first stage
> >innards from water.  So if you lose the environmental seal the diaphragm
> >provides a (second) water seal just like a US4.
> >
> >The environmental seal simply prevents water getting inside where the lack
> >of
> >water motion and well conducted cooling due to pressure drop could result
> >in
> >ice formation.  I dive all year round in the UK with no problems when using
> >sensible precautions. I have no experience in sub 4 deg C conditions so
> >don't
> >read anything into the suitability for this sort of diving.
> >
> >David Shimell
> >shimell@se*.co* <mailto:shimell@se*.co*>
> >DDI: 01932 814096 * Mobile: 07770 282 202 * Fax: 01932 814343
> >Project Manager, IBM UK Web Server Group, Sequent Computer Systems Ltd,
> >Weybridge Business Park, Addlestone Road, Weybridge, Surrey, KT15 2UF, UK
> >registered in England and Wales under company number: 1999363, registered
> >office as above
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:  Stan Dilcher [SMTP:divewrecks@ho*.co*]
> >Sent:  Sunday, May 28, 2000 8:16 PM
> >To:    techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject:       Thanks for Apeks Info!
> >
> >Thanks to the many people who have provided information in response to the
> >Apeks regulator questions I posed. It looks like recommendations point to
> >the the US4/TX40 combo. This will be for my first doubles rig that I am
> >doing some advanced planning for. At present I am planning on a Scuba Pro
> >R380 for a backup. My main diving interest is ocean/wreck diving.
> >
> >Can someone please comment on the advantages/disadvantages of sealed vs.
> >non-sealed first stages (as in the Apeks models)? I'm not sure I understand
> >the difference or if one has a higher potential for failure in certain
> >conditions. I don't plan on cold water diving at this point.
> >
> >If anyone can provide any US dealer info with regards to a US4 DIN/TX40
> >combo I would appreciate it.
> >
> >Thanks again to everyone who responded,
> >Stan Dilcher
> >
> >
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