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billyw, you had me in stitches, especially the "Seth Efrikan" accent. I was worried that the list would tone down with George away, but you are keeping things cooking. This post is going straight into my flame-hall-of-fame. Sadly it wont help convince Larry and the guys to think about mending their strokish ways, they dont come on here because of the torrent of abuse they rightly receive. I had begun to suspect that they were way beyond help, but of late there have been some very small breakthroughs. In the end I am not sure why I bother at all, maybe it is because I would like a few more DIR buddies to dive with. Cheers, Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: <bdi@wh*.ne*> To: Simon Murray <simonm@ho*.co*.za*>; Techdiver List <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 1:17 AM Subject: Re: Helium penetrates neoprene ??? > At 07:33 23/03/00 , Larry Holding wrote: > > >Hi Larry, > > > > > >I dont know if we met at Badgat on the weekend, but I am glad that somebody > > >is putting forward your guys view. I am interested to see the responses. > > > > > >No, I was not there. > > > > >It is a pity that you guys are so proud of being strokes that you dont > > >seriously think about the fundamental configuration problems that you have. > > > >The guys are having so much fun baiting you that some of the claims that > >they are making are probably exagerations. This is a natural reaction to the > >way that DIR is presented to them. Not as an alternative, but as the only > >way! > > Larry - sounds like the guys obviously have an alternative that is > at least the equal of DIR, if not better. Come on then, since you're > the spokesperson for Seth Efrika's Diving Intelligensia, explain some > of the alternatives to us. > > Oh, and here's a clue for you Drooling Mutant Yarpies- using only short > hoses in an overhead environment is no more an alternative to DIR than > pissing in the swimming pool is an alternative to using the toilet. > > > >A parallel which as just come to mind is the difference between a manual > >and an automatic gearbox in your car (not even going to the semi-automatic or > >tiptronic(tm) systems:-) ). > > > >With the automatic gearbox (DIR) your input is limited to deciding if you > >want to go faster or slower. You can relax and enjoy the trip, probably also > >set the cruise control and watch the world outside your window. > > > >A manual gearbox (Independants) means you have to watch all the time what > >the road is doing: is there a hill coming, do you need to zip past this > >truck in front of you, and you have to make decisions constantly. But these > >decisions (for me at least) are in your muscle memory, you know what is > >happening and why you changed gear, but did not have to think about it. > > Larry if you're claiming that you rely on muscle memory to manage twin > independents, then either you are dumber than the picture No-no Gomez > paints of you all, or nature has indeed played a cruel trick down there > In the world centre of underwater stupidity and has filled all your > skull cavities with muscle. > > Your problem is that you are not only incapable of putting together a > coherent system of diving equipment, you are incapable of putting > together a coherent explanation of why you do the things you do. And > when someone like Simon takes the time to write "It is a pity that you > guys are so proud of being strokes that you dont seriously think about > the fundamental configuration problems that you have." you guys are too > stupid and too mired in strokery to stop and think about it. > > > > >Most importantly, twin independents with twin short hoses in the cave. > > >Maybe you would like to take this opportunity to tell the list why you guys > > >dont believe in manifolds or long hoses for cave diving. > > > >I never said we did not, but these things cost money, these things take > >time. There is no way that any of us would stop diving until our kit was > >exactly DIR and then restart from the begining. We are all still building up > >our gear as we need it, and have priorities other than manifolds and long > >hoses. > > > >This is a holdover from our training courses where everyone used, and had > >always used, independants with short hoses. The caves we dive either have no > >restrictions (Wondergat) or very short restrictions (Badplaas), we do not > >skooter anywhere. > > > >We are open to ideas which come from outside the community that we dive > >with, but we reserve the right to choose which to accept and which to think > >a little longer about. > > How much time do you guys need? three years? Ten years? Come on, cut > the crap Larry. Besides, you might not have much more time to 'think' > about those short hoses. You ever tried to do deco in doubles and > slings, sharing gas on a short hose? > > Larry, the only thing more surprising than your effrontery in > attempting to convince us with that truly stupid gear-box analogy > that you guys have any idea what you are doing is the ease with which > you slope-forehead mutants are able to delude yourselves that there's > some sense, order, plan or intelligence behind the shambling circfus > that passes for South African technical diving. > > If I were you - which is stretching the imagination about as far as it > will go - I would be inclined not to stick my head up on these lists. > You have nothing to offer except the usual transparent stupidity and > unconvincing bullshit. And the only thing more pathetic than a troupe > of dedicated strokes without a clue marching along to the sound of > their own hubris is the guy out front carrying the flag. > > rgrds billyw > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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