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Hi Larry, I think that part of the reason that the DIR message on Techdiver is presented in the way that it is because of people trolling the list, just like you guys are now admitting to have done. I would remind you that the discussion (mostly held privately) started because one of your guys wanted to hear about DIR in a less threatening environment than this list provides. I obliged, very patiently, over a protracted series of emails for no other reason than I think DIR would make your diving safer and more fun. If you guys have no real interest in learning about DIR, I suggest we stop wasting everybody's time and you go back to your helmet mounted lights, independents, short hoses, 50m EAD's, suicide clips and lord only knows what other strokery. Just for the record, if anybody is still reading this, I dont hold myself up as any sort of DIR expert. When I got into cave diving, I looked to see who was the best in the world and listened to their advice, thought about it and decided to follow it. As a result, my diving is infinitely more pleasurable and safer than it was. Cheers, Simon Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Holding <larryh@an*.co*.za*> To: Simon Murray <simonm@ho*.co*.za*>; Techdiver List <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Helium penetrates neoprene ??? > >Hi Larry, > > > >I dont know if we met at Badgat on the weekend, but I am glad that somebody > >is putting forward your guys view. I am interested to see the responses. > > > No, I was not there. > > >It is a pity that you guys are so proud of being strokes that you dont > >seriously think about the fundamental configuration problems that you have. > > The guys are having so much fun baiting you that some of the claims that > they are making are probably exagerations. This is a natural reaction to the > way that DIR is presented to them. Not as an alternative, but as the only > way! > > A parallel which as just come to mind is the difference between a manual and > an automatic gearbox in your car (not even going to the semi-automatic or > tiptronic(tm) systems:-) ). > > With the automatic gearbox (DIR) your input is limited to deciding if you > want to go faster or slower. You can relax and enjoy the trip, probably also > set the cruise control and watch the world outside your window. > > A manual gearbox (Independants) means you have to watch all the time what > the road is doing: is there a hill coming, do you need to zip past this > truck in front of you, and you have to make decisions constantly. But these > decisions (for me at least) are in your muscle memory, you know what is > happening and why you changed gear, but did not have to think about it. > > >Most importantly, twin independents with twin short hoses in the cave. > >Maybe you would like to take this opportunity to tell the list why you guys > >dont believe in manifolds or long hoses for cave diving. > > I never said we did not, but these things cost money, these things take > time. There is no way that any of us would stop diving until our kit was > exactly DIR and then restart from the begining. We are all still building up > our gear as we need it, and have priorities other than manifolds and long > hoses. > > This is a holdover from our training courses where everyone used, and had > always used, independants with short hoses. The caves we dive either have no > restrictions (Wondergat) or very short restrictions (Badplaas), we do not > skooter anywhere. > > We are open to ideas which come from outside the community that we dive > with, but we reserve the right to choose which to accept and which to think > a little longer about. > > Enjoy, > > Larry. > > __ > 15 million lemmings can not be wrong. > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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