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Manos, the d400, d350,...are poorly designed. They breathe great but are
not made for real, organized, thought out diving. The 2nd stages for this
kind of diving have to be of a certain style. As far as 2nds go-all posiedon
and all dacor are crap. The 2nds need to dump water from the bottom, have
the front removable-inwater-for cleaning, have standard hose fittings, work
on low IP, have a very solid case, have no dimples or flanges or other ways
of making them impossible to work on in the water, take a standard mouth
piece, not have too many parts to hold onto when working on them in the
water, must have some way of blocking any venturi effect to keep from free
flowing in strong current, must have very good breathing characteristics,
must not blow bubble up under the mask, must not vent to the side, must be
able to be purged of water in any position, must not breathe wet, must not
be too long or too heavy or oddly shaped as to make it uncomfortable,must
have a hose attachment point that does not make the hose torque the reg,
must have compatible parts with the many other regs you use, must not have
useless breaches into the breathing air space, must have parts the don't dig
or cut into each other over time creating a failure point that might go
undetected over time, must not have a lever that cannot dislodged from the
poppet, need to exhale as easily as possible, must not have pilot valves,
............... and a few more things.
By The Way, Batman is the last person that you should use as a role
model-EZ
----- Original Message -----
From: Manos Manoli <manos@ma*.co*.cy*>
To: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:14 AM
Subject: Best Divers
> ok ok Now you will both come and say that D400 is bullshit , so why dont
you
> say
> that Jim Bowden is also a stroke he is being using it for record dive
> explorations ?
>
> But im supriced you didnt mention the good ones , you know why because if
i was
> asking
> we all know the answer. And im explaining my self : It is not only me
that i am
> saying that
> that this list serves many many Marketing purposes , You people just swear
to
> anyone that uses anything
> thats different with you and here is some email i collect for many people
that
> sometimes they were respectable here
> and the other day your kind was treading them like shit. Here is some
example
> from people joining the list :
>
> Everyone on this
> > list knows better how to dive than everyone else on the list.
>
> >I am an English lurker on the list, and I find the
> level of discourse pursued by some of the Americans to be infantile and
> indicative of a personality disorder. You asked a reasonable question. I
> hope you got a reasonable answer from somebody.
> Might I suggest subscribing to scuba-uk (mail 'subscribe scuba-uk' to
> majordomo@dr*.ne*) for a more civilised discussion of the same topics,
> amongst grown-ups, without the flaming.
>
> >and they are very quick to "flame" anyone who expresses a
> contrary opinion.
>
> >Oh boy are you going to get fried for this question, Manos :-)
Better
> start ducking now. BTW, I use a computer myself but don't tell anyone.
>
> I have hundrets of messages like that which i can forward every day but i
dont
> think
> that this is the point of this list. You idiots have to learn to respect
other
> people.
> I have been subscribed to many many email list on different subjects but
believe
> me
> that the way of conversation here is worse than anything and anywhere
else.
> To be fare i learn a few things from some very respectable people but the
"ego
> divers "
> here are alot comparing to the decent ones. I prefer to be a respectable
man
> and
> a stroke rather than being one of your kind
>
> "the best diver underwater ( as you thing ) and a Dick head on surface ".
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> > No coke, Petsi.
> >
> > You should have warned us about the wife joke, Trey, now I have to clean
my
> > desk. I bet Manos and her would get along great.
> >
> > We call the D400 the "scrotum". Isn't that Greek as well?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
> > To: "Cheeburger Manoli" <manos@ma*.co*.cy*>
> > Cc: "S I L E N T I M M E R S I O N" <silent@cu*.ne*>; "Tech Diver"
> > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: wing failure
> >
> > > Chee, the D 400? Geez you will admit to anything. That is an Air One
in
> > > a box. Only the worst stroke , like Batman , would use something like
> > > this in the water. By the way , pick my wife up at the airport. I cut
> > > some holes in the box so she can breathe.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheeburger Manoli wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Stroke call your Mother you stupid f... idiot.
> > > > For your information those tiny ones as you call them he he
> > > > you can find everywhere in Cyprus.
> > > >
> > > > I hate alu tanks and im not suprice you are suggesting them since
you
> > are sick
> > > > on the head
> > > > and dot try to give me a lecture about you being Dir. Everyone can
see
> > from
> > > > your
> > > > words that you are another "ego diver "
> > > >
> > > > Any way who the f...
> > > > told you that im using sherwood or other crab regs ? Im using
Scubapro
> > D400
> > > > with Mk20 and R380 with Mk20 Halcyon Hardplate and Wings.
> > > >
> > > > Not only you idiots are swearing at me for
> > > > asking a simple question you also started to put words in my mouth
> > now.
> > > >
> > > > Im starting to get sick of this List where you people love to insult
> > each other.
> > > >
> > > > Manos
> > > >
> > > > S I L E N T I M M E R S I O N wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The strokes will never learn. But you are right here, the drysuit
is
> > the
> > > > > best option to make his dives safer. We dive here in the Caribbean
> > with
> > > > > TLS350's and the water is 82F/28C. It all comes down to
undergarment
> > as you
> > > > > say.
> > > > > We don't use argon but rather air to fill the suit and that works
just
> > fine.
> > > > > That is something else the strokes forget, they think that they
only
> > need to
> > > > > buy a drysuit...but actually you also need your small cylinder, a
way
> > to
> > > > > attach it to your harnass or doubles, a regulator, pressure gauge
(one
> > of
> > > > > those really tiny ones, probably not to easy to find on Cyprus),
of
> > course
> > > > > an overpressure valve, and the proper length hose.
> > > > > Then you might want to sell your steel stages, buy alu40's, buy
decent
> > regs
> > > > > for the stages not the crapy Sherwoods or whatever convoluted crap
you
> > are
> > > > > using now and yes, it is all very expensive! And guess
what...there is
> > no
> > > > > substitute for the right equipment. So you either have the right
> > equiment
> > > > > and dive or you have the bullshit equipment and die.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > THOMAS
> > > > >
> > > > > > >Im so much worried that i got no redundancy for my wings. Since
> > water is
> > > > > > >quite warm here i always
> > > > > > >dive in a 5mm wet suit. So what's Dir in this case ? Pls don't
> > answer to
> > > > > > >me " get a Dry Suit "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, "get a dry suit" is quite probably the right
answer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Manos, I don't know what you are calling "quite warm" water.
5mm
> > neoprene
> > > > > > wetsuit is suitable for what we in Texas consider fairly cold
water
> > (say,
> > > > > > down to 65 F / 18 C or so).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am told by knowledgeable local divers that drysuits are
suitable
> > for all
> > > > > > water temperatures, given only a careful choice of thermal
> > undergarments.
> > > > > > At least one company makes a drysuit that they advertise as
being
> > > > > > specifically intended for warm water diving.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >With empty wings at 35 meters i try to deploy a lift back and
winch
> > my
> > > > > > >self up. Although it
> > > > > > >worked it proved to be physical demanding and my air
consumption
> > was at
> > > > > > >its maximum.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This sounds like a good emergency procedure rehearsal, but it
also
> > sounds
> > > > > > like you are dangerously overweighted. Given that you were
wearing
> > a 5mm
> > > > > > neoprene wetsuit, that probably requires close to 20 lbs / 9 kg
of
> > lead at
> > > > > > the surface, that had lost half its buoyancy due to compression
at
> > depth,
> > > > > > this is perhaps not surprising.
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