I made a typo,

>>>must not have a lever that cannot dislodged from the
> poppet, need to exhale as easily as possible, must not have pilot

    should have read: must not have a lever that can be dislodged from
actuating the poppet or the stem .

    What I meant was-there are some unbalanced regs that can be whacked and
the lever flips or comes off the stem, this leaves the reg shut down. There
are balanced regs that the lever can come off of the poppet and leave the
reg shut down (this can also occur if some one doesn't know what they are
doing when they are servicing it). There are some other pilot valve regs
that can be damaged or just bumped and have the pilot lever get bent or
break, this also leaves the reg shut down.

    Sorry for the typo-EZ

    oh, and someone yelled at me for not ID'ing myself

    Eric Zimmerman
    813 887 5712
    Tampa FL

----- Original Message -----
From: H2Ocaver <ezimmerm@ch*.ca*.us*.ed*>
To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Best Divers


> Manos, the d400, d350,...are poorly designed.  They breathe great but are
> not made for real, organized, thought out diving.  The 2nd stages for this
> kind of diving have to be of a certain style. As far as 2nds go-all
posiedon
> and all dacor are crap. The 2nds need to dump water from the bottom, have
> the front removable-inwater-for cleaning, have standard hose fittings,
work
> on low IP, have a very solid case, have no dimples or flanges or other
ways
> of making them impossible to work on in the water, take a standard mouth
> piece, not have too many parts to hold onto when working on them in the
> water, must have some way of blocking any venturi effect to keep from free
> flowing in strong current, must have very good breathing characteristics,
> must not blow bubble up under the mask, must not vent to the side, must be
> able to be purged of water in any position, must not breathe wet, must not
> be too long or too heavy or oddly shaped as to make it uncomfortable,must
> have a hose attachment point that does not make the hose torque the reg,
> must have compatible parts with the many other regs you use, must not have
> useless breaches into the breathing air space, must have parts the don't
dig
> or cut into each other over time creating a failure point that might go
> undetected over time, must not have a lever that cannot dislodged from the
> poppet, need to exhale as easily as possible, must not have pilot valves,
> ................ and a few more things.
>
>     By The Way, Batman is the last person that you should use as a role
> model-EZ
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Manos Manoli <manos@ma*.co*.cy*>
> To: Scott <scottk@hc*.co*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:14 AM
> Subject: Best Divers
>
>
> > ok ok  Now you will both come and say that D400 is bullshit , so why
dont
> you
> > say
> > that Jim Bowden is also a stroke he is being using it for record dive
> > explorations ?
> >
> > But im supriced you didnt mention the good ones , you know why because
if
> i was
> > asking
> > we all know the answer.  And im explaining my self : It is not only me
> that i am
> > saying that
> > that this list serves many many Marketing purposes , You people just
swear
> to
> > anyone that uses anything
> > thats different with you and here is some email i collect for many
people
> that
> > sometimes they were respectable here
> > and the other day your kind was treading them like shit. Here is some
> example
> > from people joining the list :
> >
> > Everyone on this
> > > list knows better how to dive than everyone else on the list.
> >
> >  >I am an English lurker on the list, and I find the
> > level of discourse pursued by some of the Americans to be infantile and
> > indicative of a personality disorder. You asked a reasonable question. I
> > hope you got a reasonable answer from somebody.
> > Might I suggest subscribing to scuba-uk (mail 'subscribe scuba-uk' to
> > majordomo@dr*.ne*) for a more civilised discussion of the same
topics,
> > amongst grown-ups, without the flaming.
> >
> > >and they are very quick to "flame" anyone who expresses a
> > contrary opinion.
> >
> > >Oh boy are you going to get fried for this question, Manos   :-)
> Better
> > start ducking now.   BTW, I use a computer myself but don't tell anyone.
> >
> > I have hundrets of messages like that which i can forward every day but
i
> dont
> > think
> > that this is the point of this list. You idiots have to learn to respect
> other
> > people.
> > I have been subscribed to many many email list on different subjects but
> believe
> > me
> > that the way of conversation here is worse  than anything and anywhere
> else.
> > To be fare i learn a few things from some very respectable people but
the
> "ego
> > divers "
> > here are alot comparing to the decent ones.  I prefer to be a
respectable
> man
> > and
> > a stroke rather than being one of  your kind
> >
> > "the best diver underwater  ( as you thing ) and a Dick head on surface
".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott wrote:
> >
> > > No coke, Petsi.
> > >
> > > You should have warned us about the wife joke, Trey, now I have to
clean
> my
> > > desk. I bet Manos and her would get along great.
> > >
> > > We call the D400 the "scrotum". Isn't that Greek as well?
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > To: "Cheeburger Manoli" <manos@ma*.co*.cy*>
> > > Cc: "S I L E N T I M M E R S I O N" <silent@cu*.ne*>; "Tech Diver"
> > > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: wing failure
> > >
> > > > Chee, the D 400? Geez you will admit to anything. That is an Air One
> in
> > > > a box. Only the worst stroke , like Batman , would use something
like
> > > > this in the water. By the way , pick my wife up at the airport. I
cut
> > > > some holes in the box so she can breathe.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheeburger Manoli wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Stroke call your Mother you stupid f... idiot.
> > > > > For your information those tiny ones as you call them he he
> > > > > you can find everywhere in Cyprus.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hate alu tanks and im not suprice you are suggesting  them since
> you
> > > are sick
> > > > > on the head
> > > > > and dot try to give me a lecture about you being  Dir. Everyone
can
> see
> > > from
> > > > > your
> > > > > words that you are another "ego diver "
> > > > >
> > > > >   Any way who the f...
> > > > > told you that im using sherwood or other crab regs ? Im using
> Scubapro
> > > D400
> > > > > with Mk20 and R380 with Mk20 Halcyon Hardplate and Wings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not only you idiots are swearing at me for
> > > > > asking a simple question you  also started to put  words in my
mouth
> > > now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Im starting to get sick of this List where you people love to
insult
> > > each other.
> > > > >
> > > > > Manos
> > > > >
> > > > > S I L E N T I M M E R S I O N wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The strokes will never learn. But you are right here, the
drysuit
> is
> > > the
> > > > > > best option to make his dives safer. We dive here in the
Caribbean
> > > with
> > > > > > TLS350's and the water is 82F/28C. It all comes down to
> undergarment
> > > as you
> > > > > > say.
> > > > > > We don't use argon but rather air to fill the suit and that
works
> just
> > > fine.
> > > > > > That is something else the strokes forget, they think that they
> only
> > > need to
> > > > > > buy a drysuit...but actually you also need your small cylinder,
a
> way
> > > to
> > > > > > attach it to your harnass or doubles, a regulator, pressure
gauge
> (one
> > > of
> > > > > > those really tiny ones, probably not to easy to find on Cyprus),
> of
> > > course
> > > > > > an overpressure valve, and the proper length hose.
> > > > > > Then you might want to sell your steel stages, buy alu40's, buy
> decent
> > > regs
> > > > > > for the stages not the crapy Sherwoods or whatever convoluted
crap
> you
> > > are
> > > > > > using now and yes, it is all very expensive! And guess
> what...there is
> > > no
> > > > > > substitute for the right equipment. So you either have the right
> > > equiment
> > > > > > and dive or you have the bullshit equipment and die.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THOMAS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Im so much worried that i got no redundancy for my wings.
Since
> > > water is
> > > > > > > >quite warm here i  always
> > > > > > > >dive in a 5mm wet suit. So what's Dir in this case ? Pls
don't
> > > answer to
> > > > > > > >me  " get a Dry Suit "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, "get a dry suit" is quite probably the right
> answer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Manos, I don't know what you are calling "quite warm" water.
> 5mm
> > > neoprene
> > > > > > > wetsuit is suitable for what we in Texas consider fairly cold
> water
> > > (say,
> > > > > > > down to 65 F / 18 C or so).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am told by knowledgeable local divers that drysuits are
> suitable
> > > for all
> > > > > > > water temperatures, given only a careful choice of thermal
> > > undergarments.
> > > > > > > At least one company makes a drysuit that they advertise as
> being
> > > > > > > specifically intended for warm water diving.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >With empty wings at 35 meters i try to deploy a lift back and
> winch
> > > my
> > > > > > > >self up. Although it
> > > > > > > >worked it proved to be physical demanding and my air
> consumption
> > > was at
> > > > > > > >its maximum.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This sounds like a good emergency procedure rehearsal, but it
> also
> > > sounds
> > > > > > > like you are dangerously overweighted.  Given that you were
> wearing
> > > a 5mm
> > > > > > > neoprene wetsuit, that probably requires close to 20 lbs / 9
kg
> of
> > > lead at
> > > > > > > the surface, that had lost half its buoyancy due to
compression
> at
> > > depth,
> > > > > > > this is perhaps not surprising.
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