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Bill, quit with the drama crap. If you don't like what you see, move
on. The whole world does'nt need to know about the little stick up your
ass.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Anderson <banders@hc*.co*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <andrewg@fi*.co*>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 1:29 PM
Subject: Was Rock Boots, now is Slander
> Andrew,
>
> You have a very offensive attitude, and a "holier than thou" personna
> which I find to be rather repulsive. You can call me or anyone else a
> liar all you want, it wont change my persective, or what I have to say.
> Calling another person, who has just as much right to speak or post as
> you, a liar, and what is said "spouting off" is a sign of insecurity,
> immaturity, and innability to deal with criticism, in my mind. Are you
> above criticism?
>
> Slander is a malicious attempt, with malice a forethought to discredit
> or defame
> a man or business' reputation or character. I did no such thing. I
> simply posted my
> experience with your store, as I experienced it. If anyone is guilty of
> slander here, it is you for calling me a liar. If you knew me, you
> would
> realize what an out of line thing that is to say.
>
> The simple issue is this:
>
> I asked about GUE training, and was steered away from it. Whoever it
> was
> I talked to assumed that I was an ignoramus, or somehow unworthy of GUE
> training. When I tried to talk about Haclyon Gear, I was steered to the
> "poodle jackets" and gear of the type I am trying to get away from. I
> am
> not the type of person to tell anyone how to run their business, but
> you
> guys arent as perfect as you like everyone to think. The individual I
> spoke to has a receding hairline, is of medium build, and about 5'11".
> Does this sound like anyone that works for you, or am I lying again? As
> for your store, I can tell you its a little closet on the top of a car
> stereo store, with almost no where to park. Along the back wall are
> some
> EE lights, and one small display of Halcyon gear, which is why I came
> in
> in the first place. Now, am I still a liar?
>
> BTW, why bring JJ into this? He has nothing to do with the thread, or
> the statements made, except perhaps that you are tagging along on his
> coat tails for legitimacy. Leave him out of this. We are talking about
> YOU and YOUR store.
>
> I have been reading a lot on techdiver, and the Aquanaut archives, and
> have been through your web page from bow to stern. What I was lead to
> believe by your web page, and what I was greeted with in your store,
> were two entirely different entities. It was almost as if I walked into
> another shop all together. Perhaps it was a case of letdown, after
> visiting your webpage.
>
> Now, you like to crow about your accomplishments, and with that should
> come an ability to talk to us little guys as well. And to be able to
> use
> a little common decency. You are, after all, supposed to be a scuba
> professional. I actually attended your presentation on the Brittanic
> expedition, and enjoyed it greatly, even though you had to holler over
> the idiots screaming about a game on the TV in the next room. Am I
> lying
> again?
>
> I am sure I made an error when I said PDIC. I have been visiting all
> shops in the Seattle area, and its very easily possible that I was
> confused. Whats your excuse? I will take this opportunity to apologize
> for my ignorance, and admit my wrong doing. Now its your turn. The
> issue
> is that I asked about GUE training, and was steered away from it. I am
> not a "newbie", have been diving since 1988. This certainly does not
> make me an expert, but it doesnt make me an idiot either. I have read
> enough to learn which direction I want my future to go in, and the only
> person changing my mind about that is you. You and your attitude. I had
> what I consider to be a sour experience in your store. Is that my
> fault?
>
> Loss of my business will certainly not hurt you in anyway, but what
> good
> can come from pushing people away who seek you out?
>
> I dont speak for Shadow, but as to why you think anyone is afraid of
> you
> is pretty illustrative of a level of arrogance. Whoever he is, he
> brought up some valid points, which YOU seem to be AFRAID to answer.
> Saying you wont answer because he is anonymous is a handy out, isnt it?
> Why dont you show all of us that you are the bigger man here, and
> address the questions and statements in a mature, professional manner?
> Its the substance, not the poster that is the issue here.
>
> I will return to your store, and I will speak to you. I am not afraid
> of
> anything I said,or posted, but you seem to be. I am willing to give you
> the benefit of a doubt, and try again, but I can tell you one thing:
>
> Calling me a liar is not a feather in your hat, and if you do so to my
> face, the response you get will not be as polite as this letter. I am a
> decent man, and the situation I find myself in is not one of my
> construction.
> It seems to me that you perhaps need to step down off your throne, and
> mingle with us little guys, instead of hurling insults from on high.
> There is obviously some missunderstanding happening here, but with your
> attitude, the missunderstanding has little chance of being resolved.
>
> After all, it is I, the customer, that will give YOU a second chance.
> Will
> you extend me the same courtesy? We will see, as will everyone reading
> this list.
>
> Bill Anderson
>
> > Andrew wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > Before you go spouting off, I think it is best that you get your facts
> > > straight.
> > >
> > > IF you came into our store last week you would NOT have been
> > > pushed or even told about a PDIC course because no-one at the store is
an
> > > active PDIC
> > > instructor and hasn't being for the past 4 years. So you are lying.
And as a
> > > LIAR a don't feel I should address you via e-mail. More so, I'm not
> > > convinced you were ever actually in
> > > our store. Furthermore, I didn't address "The Shadow"s e-mail as
he/she is
> > > to scared to
> > > give me a real e-mail and sign it with a real name. It is easy to
fling mud
> > > when you remain anonymous.
> > >
> > > As I sit here in the Extreme Exposure headquarters (JJ's shop) I
wonder how
> > > to address this issue. I notice average scuba equipment on JJ's wall,
as
> > > well as DIR equipment. I don't consider JJ to be a stroke. I don't
consider
> > > JJ's shop to be strokery. I don't consider JJ's operation (Extreme
Exposure)
> > > to be a a "bait and switch" operation. (Yes, to all JJ has Scubapro
Accent
> > > BCD's for sale and so on) I do consider JJ's shop to be an excellent
> > > operation. By your philosophy Bill, JJ is also a stroke with Bait and
Switch
> > > techniques.
> > >
> > > You see, I think many folks miss the point of DIR.
> > >
> > > DIR is not only about
> > > what gear you wear, or what gear sell, but more about a philosophy of
> > > diving. If you (or the shadow) had ever taken a class from me you
would
> > > realize that, even so it was an SSI openwater or Advanced course, the
> > > philosophies I
> > > teach are DIR (which I live by). You would also find I wouldn't tell
you
> > > what gear to wear, just suggest what works best for me.
> > > The reasoning for teaching an SSI course in the basic levels is that
GUE as
> > > of yet, does not have an
> > > Openwater Class. (part of the reason I am sitting here at Extreme
> > > Exposure/GUE headquarters). So yes when someone walks into my
operation and
> > > we don't know their skill level, generally we introduce them at a
basic
> > > level (DIR
> > > philosophies included) and certify them SSI. At a Tech level 1 we
teach a
> > > GUE program and continue the philosophy. IF that's the direction the
> > > student wants to take.
> > >
> > > You know Bill, (and the Shadow) rather than trying to publicly SLANDER
me
> > > and
> > > making a fools of yourselves, I would be more than glad to sit down
and talk
> > > with you about the obvious beef you have with me personally.
> > >
> > > Andrew
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