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Al, I noticed the same thing. It apears this guy just wants to bust
Andrews chops. I couldn't begin to tell the list how many shops I've been
in and don't like. But who gives a crap. Go to another one.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
To: John Walker <techdive@ea*.ne*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 5:16 PM
Subject: poodle jackets wasRe: Was Rock Boots, now is Slander
> The personality and commercial crap aside. i noticed the what i think is
an
> improper reference to poodle jackets below.
>
> I thought poodle jacket was a reference to the bags used to secure an o2
reg and
> to identify it. Here the reference appears to be to the traditional jacket
style
> bc.
>
> Which is correct??
>
> Al Marvelli
>
>
> John Walker wrote:
>
> > Bill, quit with the drama crap. If you don't like what you see,
move
> > on. The whole world does'nt need to know about the little stick up your
> > ass.
> >
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Anderson <banders@hc*.co*>
> > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <andrewg@fi*.co*>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 1:29 PM
> > Subject: Was Rock Boots, now is Slander
> >
> > > Andrew,
> > >
> > > You have a very offensive attitude, and a "holier than thou" personna
> > > which I find to be rather repulsive. You can call me or anyone else a
> > > liar all you want, it wont change my persective, or what I have to
say.
> > > Calling another person, who has just as much right to speak or post
as
> > > you, a liar, and what is said "spouting off" is a sign of insecurity,
> > > immaturity, and innability to deal with criticism, in my mind. Are
you
> > > above criticism?
> > >
> > > Slander is a malicious attempt, with malice a forethought to
discredit
> > > or defame
> > > a man or business' reputation or character. I did no such thing. I
> > > simply posted my
> > > experience with your store, as I experienced it. If anyone is guilty
of
> > > slander here, it is you for calling me a liar. If you knew me, you
> > > would
> > > realize what an out of line thing that is to say.
> > >
> > > The simple issue is this:
> > >
> > > I asked about GUE training, and was steered away from it. Whoever it
> > > was
> > > I talked to assumed that I was an ignoramus, or somehow unworthy of
GUE
> > > training. When I tried to talk about Haclyon Gear, I was steered to
the
> > > "poodle jackets" and gear of the type I am trying to get away from. I
> > > am
> > > not the type of person to tell anyone how to run their business, but
> > > you
> > > guys arent as perfect as you like everyone to think. The individual I
> > > spoke to has a receding hairline, is of medium build, and about
5'11".
> > > Does this sound like anyone that works for you, or am I lying again?
As
> > > for your store, I can tell you its a little closet on the top of a
car
> > > stereo store, with almost no where to park. Along the back wall are
> > > some
> > > EE lights, and one small display of Halcyon gear, which is why I came
> > > in
> > > in the first place. Now, am I still a liar?
> > >
> > > BTW, why bring JJ into this? He has nothing to do with the thread, or
> > > the statements made, except perhaps that you are tagging along on his
> > > coat tails for legitimacy. Leave him out of this. We are talking
about
> > > YOU and YOUR store.
> > >
> > > I have been reading a lot on techdiver, and the Aquanaut archives,
and
> > > have been through your web page from bow to stern. What I was lead to
> > > believe by your web page, and what I was greeted with in your store,
> > > were two entirely different entities. It was almost as if I walked
into
> > > another shop all together. Perhaps it was a case of letdown, after
> > > visiting your webpage.
> > >
> > > Now, you like to crow about your accomplishments, and with that
should
> > > come an ability to talk to us little guys as well. And to be able to
> > > use
> > > a little common decency. You are, after all, supposed to be a scuba
> > > professional. I actually attended your presentation on the Brittanic
> > > expedition, and enjoyed it greatly, even though you had to holler
over
> > > the idiots screaming about a game on the TV in the next room. Am I
> > > lying
> > > again?
> > >
> > > I am sure I made an error when I said PDIC. I have been visiting all
> > > shops in the Seattle area, and its very easily possible that I was
> > > confused. Whats your excuse? I will take this opportunity to
apologize
> > > for my ignorance, and admit my wrong doing. Now its your turn. The
> > > issue
> > > is that I asked about GUE training, and was steered away from it. I
am
> > > not a "newbie", have been diving since 1988. This certainly does not
> > > make me an expert, but it doesnt make me an idiot either. I have read
> > > enough to learn which direction I want my future to go in, and the
only
> > > person changing my mind about that is you. You and your attitude. I
had
> > > what I consider to be a sour experience in your store. Is that my
> > > fault?
> > >
> > > Loss of my business will certainly not hurt you in anyway, but what
> > > good
> > > can come from pushing people away who seek you out?
> > >
> > > I dont speak for Shadow, but as to why you think anyone is afraid of
> > > you
> > > is pretty illustrative of a level of arrogance. Whoever he is, he
> > > brought up some valid points, which YOU seem to be AFRAID to answer.
> > > Saying you wont answer because he is anonymous is a handy out, isnt
it?
> > > Why dont you show all of us that you are the bigger man here, and
> > > address the questions and statements in a mature, professional
manner?
> > > Its the substance, not the poster that is the issue here.
> > >
> > > I will return to your store, and I will speak to you. I am not afraid
> > > of
> > > anything I said,or posted, but you seem to be. I am willing to give
you
> > > the benefit of a doubt, and try again, but I can tell you one thing:
> > >
> > > Calling me a liar is not a feather in your hat, and if you do so to
my
> > > face, the response you get will not be as polite as this letter. I am
a
> > > decent man, and the situation I find myself in is not one of my
> > > construction.
> > > It seems to me that you perhaps need to step down off your throne,
and
> > > mingle with us little guys, instead of hurling insults from on high.
> > > There is obviously some missunderstanding happening here, but with
your
> > > attitude, the missunderstanding has little chance of being resolved.
> > >
> > > After all, it is I, the customer, that will give YOU a second chance.
> > > Will
> > > you extend me the same courtesy? We will see, as will everyone
reading
> > > this list.
> > >
> > > Bill Anderson
> > >
> > > > Andrew wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > Before you go spouting off, I think it is best that you get your
facts
> > > > > straight.
> > > > >
> > > > > IF you came into our store last week you would NOT have been
> > > > > pushed or even told about a PDIC course because no-one at the
store is
> > an
> > > > > active PDIC
> > > > > instructor and hasn't being for the past 4 years. So you are
lying.
> > And as a
> > > > > LIAR a don't feel I should address you via e-mail. More so, I'm
not
> > > > > convinced you were ever actually in
> > > > > our store. Furthermore, I didn't address "The Shadow"s e-mail as
> > he/she is
> > > > > to scared to
> > > > > give me a real e-mail and sign it with a real name. It is easy to
> > fling mud
> > > > > when you remain anonymous.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I sit here in the Extreme Exposure headquarters (JJ's shop) I
> > wonder how
> > > > > to address this issue. I notice average scuba equipment on JJ's
wall,
> > as
> > > > > well as DIR equipment. I don't consider JJ to be a stroke. I
don't
> > consider
> > > > > JJ's shop to be strokery. I don't consider JJ's operation (Extreme
> > Exposure)
> > > > > to be a a "bait and switch" operation. (Yes, to all JJ has
Scubapro
> > Accent
> > > > > BCD's for sale and so on) I do consider JJ's shop to be an
excellent
> > > > > operation. By your philosophy Bill, JJ is also a stroke with Bait
and
> > Switch
> > > > > techniques.
> > > > >
> > > > > You see, I think many folks miss the point of DIR.
> > > > >
> > > > > DIR is not only about
> > > > > what gear you wear, or what gear sell, but more about a philosophy
of
> > > > > diving. If you (or the shadow) had ever taken a class from me you
> > would
> > > > > realize that, even so it was an SSI openwater or Advanced course,
the
> > > > > philosophies I
> > > > > teach are DIR (which I live by). You would also find I wouldn't
tell
> > you
> > > > > what gear to wear, just suggest what works best for me.
> > > > > The reasoning for teaching an SSI course in the basic levels is
that
> > GUE as
> > > > > of yet, does not have an
> > > > > Openwater Class. (part of the reason I am sitting here at Extreme
> > > > > Exposure/GUE headquarters). So yes when someone walks into my
> > operation and
> > > > > we don't know their skill level, generally we introduce them at a
> > basic
> > > > > level (DIR
> > > > > philosophies included) and certify them SSI. At a Tech level 1 we
> > teach a
> > > > > GUE program and continue the philosophy. IF that's the direction
the
> > > > > student wants to take.
> > > > >
> > > > > You know Bill, (and the Shadow) rather than trying to publicly
SLANDER
> > me
> > > > > and
> > > > > making a fools of yourselves, I would be more than glad to sit
down
> > and talk
> > > > > with you about the obvious beef you have with me personally.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew
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