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The personality and commercial crap aside. i noticed the what i think is an improper reference to poodle jackets below. I thought poodle jacket was a reference to the bags used to secure an o2 reg and to identify it. Here the reference appears to be to the traditional jacket style bc. Which is correct?? Al Marvelli John Walker wrote: > Bill, quit with the drama crap. If you don't like what you see, move > on. The whole world does'nt need to know about the little stick up your > ass. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Anderson <banders@hc*.co*> > To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <andrewg@fi*.co*> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 1:29 PM > Subject: Was Rock Boots, now is Slander > > > Andrew, > > > > You have a very offensive attitude, and a "holier than thou" personna > > which I find to be rather repulsive. You can call me or anyone else a > > liar all you want, it wont change my persective, or what I have to say. > > Calling another person, who has just as much right to speak or post as > > you, a liar, and what is said "spouting off" is a sign of insecurity, > > immaturity, and innability to deal with criticism, in my mind. Are you > > above criticism? > > > > Slander is a malicious attempt, with malice a forethought to discredit > > or defame > > a man or business' reputation or character. I did no such thing. I > > simply posted my > > experience with your store, as I experienced it. If anyone is guilty of > > slander here, it is you for calling me a liar. If you knew me, you > > would > > realize what an out of line thing that is to say. > > > > The simple issue is this: > > > > I asked about GUE training, and was steered away from it. Whoever it > > was > > I talked to assumed that I was an ignoramus, or somehow unworthy of GUE > > training. When I tried to talk about Haclyon Gear, I was steered to the > > "poodle jackets" and gear of the type I am trying to get away from. I > > am > > not the type of person to tell anyone how to run their business, but > > you > > guys arent as perfect as you like everyone to think. The individual I > > spoke to has a receding hairline, is of medium build, and about 5'11". > > Does this sound like anyone that works for you, or am I lying again? As > > for your store, I can tell you its a little closet on the top of a car > > stereo store, with almost no where to park. Along the back wall are > > some > > EE lights, and one small display of Halcyon gear, which is why I came > > in > > in the first place. Now, am I still a liar? > > > > BTW, why bring JJ into this? He has nothing to do with the thread, or > > the statements made, except perhaps that you are tagging along on his > > coat tails for legitimacy. Leave him out of this. We are talking about > > YOU and YOUR store. > > > > I have been reading a lot on techdiver, and the Aquanaut archives, and > > have been through your web page from bow to stern. What I was lead to > > believe by your web page, and what I was greeted with in your store, > > were two entirely different entities. It was almost as if I walked into > > another shop all together. Perhaps it was a case of letdown, after > > visiting your webpage. > > > > Now, you like to crow about your accomplishments, and with that should > > come an ability to talk to us little guys as well. And to be able to > > use > > a little common decency. You are, after all, supposed to be a scuba > > professional. I actually attended your presentation on the Brittanic > > expedition, and enjoyed it greatly, even though you had to holler over > > the idiots screaming about a game on the TV in the next room. Am I > > lying > > again? > > > > I am sure I made an error when I said PDIC. I have been visiting all > > shops in the Seattle area, and its very easily possible that I was > > confused. Whats your excuse? I will take this opportunity to apologize > > for my ignorance, and admit my wrong doing. Now its your turn. The > > issue > > is that I asked about GUE training, and was steered away from it. I am > > not a "newbie", have been diving since 1988. This certainly does not > > make me an expert, but it doesnt make me an idiot either. I have read > > enough to learn which direction I want my future to go in, and the only > > person changing my mind about that is you. You and your attitude. I had > > what I consider to be a sour experience in your store. Is that my > > fault? > > > > Loss of my business will certainly not hurt you in anyway, but what > > good > > can come from pushing people away who seek you out? > > > > I dont speak for Shadow, but as to why you think anyone is afraid of > > you > > is pretty illustrative of a level of arrogance. Whoever he is, he > > brought up some valid points, which YOU seem to be AFRAID to answer. > > Saying you wont answer because he is anonymous is a handy out, isnt it? > > Why dont you show all of us that you are the bigger man here, and > > address the questions and statements in a mature, professional manner? > > Its the substance, not the poster that is the issue here. > > > > I will return to your store, and I will speak to you. I am not afraid > > of > > anything I said,or posted, but you seem to be. I am willing to give you > > the benefit of a doubt, and try again, but I can tell you one thing: > > > > Calling me a liar is not a feather in your hat, and if you do so to my > > face, the response you get will not be as polite as this letter. I am a > > decent man, and the situation I find myself in is not one of my > > construction. > > It seems to me that you perhaps need to step down off your throne, and > > mingle with us little guys, instead of hurling insults from on high. > > There is obviously some missunderstanding happening here, but with your > > attitude, the missunderstanding has little chance of being resolved. > > > > After all, it is I, the customer, that will give YOU a second chance. > > Will > > you extend me the same courtesy? We will see, as will everyone reading > > this list. > > > > Bill Anderson > > > > > Andrew wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Before you go spouting off, I think it is best that you get your facts > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > IF you came into our store last week you would NOT have been > > > > pushed or even told about a PDIC course because no-one at the store is > an > > > > active PDIC > > > > instructor and hasn't being for the past 4 years. So you are lying. > And as a > > > > LIAR a don't feel I should address you via e-mail. More so, I'm not > > > > convinced you were ever actually in > > > > our store. Furthermore, I didn't address "The Shadow"s e-mail as > he/she is > > > > to scared to > > > > give me a real e-mail and sign it with a real name. It is easy to > fling mud > > > > when you remain anonymous. > > > > > > > > As I sit here in the Extreme Exposure headquarters (JJ's shop) I > wonder how > > > > to address this issue. I notice average scuba equipment on JJ's wall, > as > > > > well as DIR equipment. I don't consider JJ to be a stroke. I don't > consider > > > > JJ's shop to be strokery. I don't consider JJ's operation (Extreme > Exposure) > > > > to be a a "bait and switch" operation. (Yes, to all JJ has Scubapro > Accent > > > > BCD's for sale and so on) I do consider JJ's shop to be an excellent > > > > operation. By your philosophy Bill, JJ is also a stroke with Bait and > Switch > > > > techniques. > > > > > > > > You see, I think many folks miss the point of DIR. > > > > > > > > DIR is not only about > > > > what gear you wear, or what gear sell, but more about a philosophy of > > > > diving. If you (or the shadow) had ever taken a class from me you > would > > > > realize that, even so it was an SSI openwater or Advanced course, the > > > > philosophies I > > > > teach are DIR (which I live by). You would also find I wouldn't tell > you > > > > what gear to wear, just suggest what works best for me. > > > > The reasoning for teaching an SSI course in the basic levels is that > GUE as > > > > of yet, does not have an > > > > Openwater Class. (part of the reason I am sitting here at Extreme > > > > Exposure/GUE headquarters). So yes when someone walks into my > operation and > > > > we don't know their skill level, generally we introduce them at a > basic > > > > level (DIR > > > > philosophies included) and certify them SSI. At a Tech level 1 we > teach a > > > > GUE program and continue the philosophy. IF that's the direction the > > > > student wants to take. > > > > > > > > You know Bill, (and the Shadow) rather than trying to publicly SLANDER > me > > > > and > > > > making a fools of yourselves, I would be more than glad to sit down > and talk > > > > with you about the obvious beef you have with me personally. > > > > > > > > Andrew > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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