What is technical diving compared to recreational diving?

Isn't the need for safety and skills the same?

That is part of the problem. The same equipment and skills used to do a long
DECO dive can be applied to a rec dive. I am not a certified cave diver, but
do alot of wreck diving in the Mid-Atlantid area (both rec and tech). As a
DM on the boat, I have seen NAUI, PADI, SSI, YMCA, TDI, IANTD, ... C-Card
divers use configuration and junk on them that are insane but are in
accordance with standards. What has been said and is being said is that the
Training Standard and methodologies need to evolve. Yes, I am also an
Instructor with several of those organizations. I have read and understand
the standards with the agencies that I am associated with. Those standard
are there as *MINIMUM* requirements.

So what is being said here, that we develop one skill and standard for when
I diving recreationality and another when diving technically? Here is a real
and true situation. I am doing a long tech dive on a boat with both tech and
rec divers on a ~110 fsw wreck dive. I get to the hang bar (at ~20 fsw) and
a rec diver comes up to me really low (nearing OOA) on air. What do I do?
Give him my secondary reg since he is a rec diver? He wants air from a know
working source, not some crazy skills standard taught in a pool. We are 30
nm off shore now folks. No, I give him my long hose, I go for my secondary,
we are all comfortable. He is doing his safety stop and I get set and do my
DECO on O2. It is not the up close and personal, oh shit I'm out of air
situation that would occur with the secondary/octo pass.

I support one standard of air sharing (tech or rec). The needer gets the
good and known functional reg. The supplier goes for the backup (they are
not stressed (yet) by the OOA situation and can manage the event). It should
the same no matter what the  dive is tech/rec is BS, it is all diving. It
should be done safely and smartly.

David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Manos Manoli [mailto:manos@ma*.co*.cy*]
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 3:21 AM
> To: Tech Diver
> Subject: Re: Attention NAUI members only
>
>
> I do not see the reason why you people are going on and on on
> those matters.
> Im a Naui Instructor for the last 2 years and if i look back
> at my long term
> training i wouldn't find anything in recreational diving that
> blends with tech
> Diving.
> And you know why ? Simply because it is impossible to compare
> oranges with
> onions.
> I am a multiple personality person like any recreational
> instructor should be
> when
> teaching a course or when diving at extremes with tech equipment.
> We are subscribed to this list to share ideas and not to
> argue with each other.
> It is impossible again to understand the logic of  applying
> the same rules on 2
> completely different subjects. If you take the risk of tech
> dive then you
> accept rules and procedures that look crazy and suitable to others.
>
> Manos Manoli
> Greek Island of Cyprus.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> MHK wrote:
>
> > > Well, I don't know what John had to say, but what does
> this have to do
> > with
> > > being a Course Director?  A Course Director doesn't
> necessarily have
> > anything
> > > to do with technical diving.  Who are you and please
> explain the problem.
> >
> > I believe John is in a better position to explain *exactly*
> what he said.
> > But from my understanding, John was invited to speak at
> some NAUI seminar
> > and he made the * out of left feild* suggestion that an OOA
> diver take the
> > reg from the buddies mouth.  He went on to explain that the
> theory was that
> > the OOA diver would have a working reg to the extent that
> he/she took such a
> > reg.
> >
> > I state FTR, I was not at he seminar, but that is clearly
> my understanding.
> > NAUI course directors could not fathom such a suggestion
> going as far as
> > saying that they should take the *octo* and if it doesn't
> work then every
> > man for himself.  That is what the NAUI course directors
> are teaching.
> > John, rightly so, took exception to this TEACHING
> PHILOSOPHY.  This is what
> > they are teaching there instructors to teach students.
> >
> > So instead of listening to others, and perhaps learning
> from others, they
> > decide to start there own list.
> >
> > I say GO AHEAD.  IDIOTS AND SHORT TERM THINKERS such as
> them deserve each
> > other.
> >
> > Later
> >
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