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Mark, I think we've already been over your point about helium not being available. You should check the archives at www.aquanaut.com for "trimix availability" It seems helium is available pretty much everywhere, and an END of 200 or using air *AT ALL* is pretty much yesterdays technique. At 02:42 PM 11/29/1999 -0500, you wrote: >So what you are saying is that you have LEARNED from the DIR folks (George >et al)...but you don't like the language. > >I don't like the taste of cough medicine, but it gets rid of the >cough...so I DEAL with it...it's worth it. > >You represent the total tech knowledge base of many aspiring tech divers >who read the Fla SCUBA News...IMHO that is a DANGEROUS weapon in the hands >of an individual who does not put forth the safest, best information >available...period. > >So far in three articles that I have read by you...you have >endorsed...END's of 190, PO2 of 1.6, diving in zero viz, no/low light w/o >a light, solo diving, hazardous gear configurations, extreme deep air as a >goal (Ms. Watt) and more that I am sure I could list if I had >copies... All things that have NO place in responsible tech diving. > >You have quite an influence and need to be more careful with what you >print and say. Looking like a Christmas tree of tech gear in a magazine >read by thousands of divers in Fla...and having them base their >configurations, profiles, dive mindset etc...is dangerous. THAT is my >point. George and the WKPP are a bastion of information, and to >unsubscribe based upon a dislike of his attitude or language is a loss on >your part. You would be better off expressing your opinion... George >does not take off posters heads, unless the post something blatantly >stupid. Offer a contradictory argument that has basis...(not the Big Von, >show me your gear config for a stupid profile argument), and George >usually lists the reasons for doing it DIR, in a fairly nice >manner....argue stupidity and he calls you a stroke or worse... > >Sean > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <mailto:mcz@mi*.co*>mcz >>To: <mailto:smcary@mi*.co*>Sean M. Cary >>Cc: <mailto:cccurtis@me*.ne*>Chris Curtis ; >><mailto:DeepBlueSHE@ne*.co*>pina ; >><mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*>kirvine@safari.net ; >><mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver ; >><mailto:FLTechdiver@mikey.net>FLTechdiver@mikey.net >>Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 4:35 PM >>Subject: Re: deep air death at 40 fathom grotto >> >> Sean, please allow me to respond. >> >>"Sean M. Cary" wrote: >>>The same Mark Zurl who writes for Fla SCUBA news that an 18/23 mix would >>>have been adequate for a 280' dive, giving an END of 190 and a PO2 of 1.6? >> The point I tried to make in the story was that I realized my >> mistake from advice >> I solicted from others who I knew were better than me and made the >> changes >> necessary to correct the problem. The thrust of the story was >> recommending >> we can all learn from each other and not let our ego's get in the >> way of >> good judgement. As I recall Sean, you were one of those people who >> helped >> me. I even appolgized online for my mistake to let everyone know I >> appreciated >> their assistance. >>>The same Mark Zurl who shows pictures of a set of doubles with what appears >>>to be a pony bottle DUCT TAPED to the side of them (Page 16 of the Florida >>>SCUBA News)? >> Those were not my doubles. I do not advocate this procedure, and >> your right, >> I will start examing photo's closer before sending them to the >> publisher. >>>The same Mike Zurl >>` my name is Mark, my brother is Mike ... by the way, I don't always >>agree >> with what he says either ! >>>who has his primary light (no back up) go >>>out on the decent of a dive in zero vis and total darkness to 280 fsw who >>>relies upon his buddies light to read his SPG and Bottom timer? >> I never carry redundant lighting for dives at noon in the ocean. I >> never >> considered myself in danger and could have aborted the dive at any time >> safely. The lack of light was just an usual event that I had not >> anticipated >> and was largely an inconvenice during this dive ... I will accept >> anyone's >> recommendations on this issue also ..... >>>The same >>>Mark Zurl who states deep air is a good thing, and acceptable, despite >>>OVERWHELMING evidence of it dangers... >> I did not say Deep Air was a good thing ... We all recognize the >> advantages >> helium has, but I believe dives to 200feet can be done safely (on >> air). There are >> many people in the world who do not have access to helium and their >> safety record is impressive. Many dives have been done (maybe >> millions) >> on deep air before generating a helium table became common >> knowledge and >> the statistics would not indicate that air (to 200') is compromising >> safety to a large degree. >> >> I was upset when I saw the statement that teaching deep air is >> tantamount >> to murder. It was irresponsible and slandered individuals who have >> made >> significant contributions to the industry. In addition, it was an >> assumption that the recent death was a direct result of the diver >> breathing >> air instead of a helium mixture and this is open for debate. >>>That is the person you want posting? >>>Hell, why don't you start the STROKEDIVER@AQ*.CO*? I'm sure you'd get >>>quite a following... >>> >>>That way you and Von and Dave Sutton and the rest of the PP folks can >>>congratulate each other on surviving another dive...hell you could all get >>>together and do the Andre Smith memorial dive. I hear Derek McNulty is out >>>and about again, maybe he and Bill Stone would give speeches on how to kill >>>a diver in 2 easy steps. What have you learned from THEM?? >>> >>>I have a picture of Mark Zurl in my store...next to a picture or me doing >>>the same wreck the Lowrance (not the same day...I don't keep the same >>>circles as Mr. Zurl). I am wearing my DIR kit, look clean streamlined and >>>organized AL'80 Wet with 40's for Deco. The pic of Mr. Zurl looks like a >>>TDI class exploded...bi-lat steel stages, metal to metal connections, >>>suicide clips the works...most people ask "why is he wearing all that shit >>>Sean?"... >> That was an old picture of me when I started doing deeper dives. Since >> that time I have embraced many DIR techniques and have improved my >> equipment configuration considerably. Thanks are in order for all >> those >> who have given us this knowledge. >>>I just shake my head and explain DIR... And to those of us who >>>have converted to DIR, it is almost religious...because once you see why >>>everything is the way it is...you realize how brilliant it is. >>>I'll take George and his attitude/language _ANY_ day...I have not learned a >>>thing from Mark Zurl...but I have learned a TON from George. >> All the best, >> Mark Zurl ---------------------------------- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> NW Labor Systems, Inc http://www.nwls.com ---------------------------------- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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