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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:08:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Esat Atikkan <atikkan@ya*.co*>
Subject: Re: Legalities of purging someone
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com

How do U pinch the nose & extend the neck?
Safe bubbles
Esat Atikkan


--- bdi@wh*.ne* wrote:
> At 01:31  25/11/99 , Esat Atikkan wrote:
> 
> >BillyW writes:
> >
> > > I use a seahornet first stages with oceanic
> alpha 
> > > seconds on my deco cylinders.
> >
> > > I can, with one hand, cover the exhaust T and
> hit
> > > the 
> > > purge button. If you can't, change your reg or
> do
> > > some
> > > practice.
> 
> 
> >Relevance of 1st stage to ability to cover exhaust
> T
> >escapes me.
> 
> Me too, since I wouldn't stick a reg in MY mouth,
> seal 
> the exhaust ports and hit the purge button. But Ms
> Karen 
> suggested one hand operation couldn't be done. SO I 
> grabbed a reg and tried it. Here's how.
> 
> The reg mouthpiece is pointing vertically down, my
> left hand is palm down on top, covering the, er,
> cover. 
> My thumb is wrapped around the exhaust ports. I
> squeeze
> my hand to increase pressure on the purge button
> and Pfffffftttttt! Gas out of the moutpiece with a
> small
> bleed through the far port past the tip of my thumb.
> This
> could be a good thing. I can actually get my index
> finger 
> there though. The hardest part is typing one-handed
> while 
> I'm doing it. but it blew the dust out of my
> keyboard.
> 
> >As for covering exhaust T & purging (@ < than full
> >blast) - R U extending the neck & pinching the
> >nostrils as well, or just circulating that blast of
> O2
> >out the nostrils.  If doing so while maintaining
> full
> >contact w/ the victim, then your dexterity is
> >phenomenol.
> 
> I don;t have phenomenal dexterity, Esat, just an 
> enquiring mind. I wnat to know how to get the 100%
> 02
> I and the victim are carrying into the victim's
> lungs ASAP without popping any alveoli.
> 
> Now I can work the reg one-handed, I'm on to
> figuring 
> out how to orient myself and stay in contact with
> the 
> victim.
> 
> I think I can figure how long to hit the purge for, 
> (I tested it to see how long it takes to get a
> lungfull
>   on me. I'd give it about 75% of that) SO I know
> how it 
> should work with MY 02 reg. And I figure it's better
> to 
> kick-start them with the reg if possible and then
> let 
> them breath off it.
> 
> I also want to know the physical aspects of the 
> nasal cavity and the back of the trhoat - how do
> the nostrils work as a pressure-relief valve and
> do I need to partially occlude them?
> 
> I have no argument with anyone except those who
> would
> say NO per se (the two paramedics), without
> reference to 
> the mechanics of doing it. Who decides the protocols
> 
> THEY are capable of administering? They don't. WHy
> should 
> they decide for me? Understand though, I think the
> paramedics do a hell of a job at the very sharpest
> end, and do it superbly.
> 
> I note that the copied extract from John Lippmann's 
> comments indicates a problem area of lpm &
> overpressure
> injuries. If one sees them as challenges instead of
> prohibitions, then progress can be made. I just want
> some creative input, not a rote-learned no. U must
> appreci8 this more than most.
> 
> >Plz explain wh/ fingers R doing what exactly as I
> >would like to try the technique
> 
> 2 fingers of mi rite h& R typing & mi left h& is
> purging the reg  PFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!!!! oh there it
> goes 
> again! This is gr8!
> 
> 
> rgrdz 2U Es@        billyw
> 
> 
> 
> >TIA
> >Safe bubbles
> >
> >Esat Atikkan
> >  
> >  
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