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From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:47:16 +1100
To: "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Re:legalities of purging someone
At 01:02  26/11/99 , Grant Jones wrote:
>billy wrote:
>
> >I can, with one hand, cover the exhaust T and hit the
>purge button. If you can't, change your reg or do somepractice.
>Now YOU tell ME. What's easier in the water with a
>floating  victim. Full-on EAR or one-handed administration of pure 02?
>
>and:
>
> >In fact, when applying the alternative (EAR)
> >both hands are fully occupied. Fins is it.
>
>and:
>
> >Anyone can swim faster using a reg one-handed
>than while carrying out EAR.
>
>     Lets see, thats one handed, oop's sorry two handed, oop's wrong again
>one handed.


No Grant. That's one handed administration of positive 
pressure 02 vs. two-handed EAR. You do know what EAR is?

Now read it again, there's a good boy. And do try to 
pay attention this time. And remember this. If you 
want to join disparate statements of mine together to
create contradictions, you have to be able to 
hold more than one thought in your head at one time
and you also have to understand the argument you are 
trying to refute, both of these things being beyond
your meagre abilities, I wonder why you even bother.


>     So thats hold the regulator in the mouth, seal the exhaust and purge the
>regulator, seal the nose, and apply a neck extension all with one hand -
>you've either got massive tango hands or you dive with pin heads, or you
>haven't really done it at all........

I dout one would need to seal the exhausts completely.
And I want to know whether it's necessary to seal the 
nostrils. 

>    Have you ACTUALLY tried it in the water billy, before you give us your
>words of wisdom, you'll find its a bit different to sitting in front of a
>PC.

No, I haven't tried it in the water. You are seeing me 
figure the process out. Then I will try it. Then if I
ever need to use it, I will be able to.

You obviously missed (or failed to understand) the first
part of the thread where two paramedics said it mustn't
be done - one must accept the fact that the 02 we carry
can't be administered to a non-breathing victim in the 
water. I disputed that.

Do try to keep up, Grant. Or you'll have to go back to
the slow list. You know. Where all your friends are.

rgrds    billyw





>Grant
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>
>To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Date: 26 November 1999 00:58
>Subject: Re: Re:legalities of purging someone
>
>
> >At 06:16  26/11/99 , Grant Jones wrote:
> >>Is that the hand that you we're using for swimming with ?, or do you have
> >>three hands?
> >
> >GRant, when wearing fins, we try not to swim
> >with our hands.
> >
> >In fact, when applying the alternative (EAR)
> >both hands are fully occupied. Fins is it.
> >
> >I thought you were some kind of instructor.
> >Apparently not.
> >
> >billyw
> >
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>
> >>To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>Date: 25 November 1999 15:25
> >>Subject: Re:legalities of purging someone
> >>
> >>
> >> >At 06:29  25/11/99 , Grant Jones wrote:
> >> >>billy wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I can, with one hand, cover the exhaust T and hit the
> >> >>purge button. If you can't, change your reg or do some
> >> >>practice.
> >> >>
> >> >>     And all that o2 comes flying out of the unsealed nose, or have you
> >>got "tango" hands?
> >> >
> >> >Use the other hand Grant - you know,
> >> >the one you keep on your dick.
> >> >
> >> >rgrds billyw

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