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Von, every time you post your lack of diving knowledge is more compeletly revealed. Your "question" to Jess about "what if your buddy has a higher breathing rate" is typical of a stroke - you just do not get it at all. The "buddy" calls the dive at turn. Do you understand that , dumbass, or do you need me to spell it out and send you a copy of PADI Open Water One. You are so seriously stupid it its frightening. Nothing you have said makes any sense at all, and nothing you have said in any justification for your ridiculous nonsense. The word "safety", when coming from your mouth, has no meaning. Read it again - Armentrout was diving with students. bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > > Jess That's great for you. Realistically how many of the multitude of tech > divers out there breath a .25 on a swimming dive with stages? One can be fit for > diving with moderate regular exercise and does not have to maintain an Olympic > workout to dive.What if your buddy's rate was more than your own? How do you > calculate your safety? > Von > > Jess Armantrout wrote: > > > I'm not a hoove. That is how I am safe. I run 40 miles a week, bike 100 > > and swim 6. My breathing rate in warm salty water on weenie dives like this > > is less than .25, and the student's was much better than that. (We did 100 > > minutes at 50 on a night dive and she used 1300 psi out of an 80...what's > > that, .13?). In a cave with steels and the additional task loading, my rate > > sky rockets to around .33, but that is scary diving. Also, we know how to > > deco, and don't spend all day. > > > > As I have mentioned to you previously, that you can not do these dives does > > not mean they can not be done safely. > > > > Jess > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bigvon@be*.ne* <bigvon@be*.ne*> > > To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com > > <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:44 PM > > Subject: Re: its about going deep george > > > > >Out of curiosity what was your mix and quantify for bottom gas and deco > > gas? > > >At 30 min there is significant deco at 300 feet. > > >How do you bring enough gas to be safe? > > > > > >I just got back from Cayman and the temp was around 79 to 80 on the bottom. > > >I would be in a sweat box in a dry suit . > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > > > >Jess Armantrout wrote: > > > > > >> Von, > > >> you're grasping, buddy. I taught a trimix course in Cayman, several > > years > > >> ago, back when nitrox wasn't even legal there. We did 300's for 25 to 30 > > >> all week long. Ironically, my student was the safety officer for the > > CIWA, > > >> the organization banning Nitrox in Cayman. Since neither of us were > > hooves, > > >> we dove twin 80's and 40's for deco gas. We were swimming. We were > > diving > > >> wet. I dove a Halcyon 18 pound set of wings and no weight. > > >> > > >> WHAT'S THE BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!????!!!!! > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: bigvon@be*.ne* <bigvon@be*.ne*> > > >> To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > > >> Cc: gordonjr <jrgordonsenior@em*.ms*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com > > >> <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > >> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 11:23 PM > > >> Subject: Re: its about going deep george > > >> > > >> >Obviously George you have never made a deep dive in the summer in the > > >> Caribbean > > >> >or you would understand. > > >> >You still have not posted your tank/gas configuration diving wet w/out > > >> scooter at > > >> >300 much less 350, for 25 to 30 min.. > > >> >What are you so afraid of? > > >> >That there is an instant when DIR might not be exactly as the great > > George > > >> >Grapevine dictates? > > >> >DIR does work in most instances. However there might, just might be an > > >> >alternative that is safer for the longer exposures at depth. i.e. > > redundant > > >> bc' > > >> >for gas availability. > > >> >By the way, studies have shown that one long exposure may be safer than > > two > > >> >shorter ones. > > >> >Von > > >> >kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> Bill, you are not only dangerous ,you are an outright liar. There is > > no > > >> >> ocean on this planet where the water at "350" is warm. The Britannic > > is > > >> >> cold as would be expected at depth and warm at the surface as would be > > >> >> expected in the Mediteranean. Your original argument was that the Gulf > > >> >> is warm at the surface. The fact is you have no justification for > > >> >> dangerous stupidity. > > >> >> > > >> >> An unbalanced rig is open ocean the trademeark of a no-plan > > dillatante. > > >> >> This is so simple, and you do not get it. Convoluted stupidity to > > offset > > >> >> self-inflicted risk is not the answer. > > >> >> > > >> >> I will keep offsetting your nonsense and pointing out how wrong you > > are. > > >> >> The difference betwen you and the guys who did the Britannic is the > > >> >> diffrence between the real thing and bullshit. Jarrod is the real > > thing, > > >> >> you are a yapping pretender. > > >> >> > > >> >> Your other argument is that we do not "know wreck diving". Well, Big > > >> >> Time, that is obviously not the case, and the fact is that it makes no > > >> >> difference where the dive is, our methods are used by the successful > > >> >> divers, the bullshit is what the bullshitters use. You are in the > > latter > > >> >> category. > > >> >> > > >> >> bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Like I said before George you are a master of misdirection. The > > >> discussion > > >> >> > was about deep warm water diving with steels without the use of a > > >> scooter.. > > >> >> > Not cold Britannic water with drysuits and scooters. > > >> >> > You still did not answer the question tough guy and I doubt you ever > > >> will. > > >> >> > Von > > >> >> > > > >> >> > kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Von, why don't you stop by GUE and straighten Jarrod out. I tried > > to > > >> >> > > tell him that diving the Britannic in a drysuit was not the Von > > >> method, > > >> >> > > and that since he was beyond 300, he should have had steels and a > > >> >> > > wetsuit, a backwards bc, two bottom timers in case his arm got bit > > >> off > > >> >> > > by a shark, etc. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > Maybe you can come to a WKPP dive and tell me how to do more than > > a > > >> >> > > "bounce" dive, since I have very little experience with the kind > > of > > >> big > > >> >> > > bottom times you are doing, and show me about "exploring" and what > > I > > >> >> > > need to do in the way of "modifications " to accomplish these > > feats, > > >> >> > > short of the lobotomy is appears you forgot to tell us about. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > I did laugh at THAT one. > > >> >> > > > I realize I am on the "DIR list", not techdiver. I will continue > > to > > >> >> > > > dive my way and you guys can stay above 300 and dive your way. > > No > > >> one > > >> >> > > > has addressed the deep issue. I am not advocating deep diving, > > just > > >> >> > > > commenting on a style that is safe. You WKPP guys keep bouncing > > the > > >> >> > > > wrecks and we will keep exploring them. > > >> >> > > > Von > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > gordonjr wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > Von, You place your backup wing on upside down, strap the > > >> >> > > > inflator to your waist strap, and orally inflate at waist > > >> >> > > > level?Hell, if I could do that I'd never leave the house > > >> >> > > > (credits to G.Carlin). JR Gordon "Just flip the BC over > > >> >> > > > and place it over the bolts as you do your primary B.C. > > >> >> > > > I loop a small loop of small bungie over the bottom bolt > > >> >> > > > before I assemble the > > >> >> > > > harness. This loop is placed over the power inflator > > >> >> > > > mechanism to secure it at > > >> >> > > > your right waist. There is no hose run to the inflator. > > Just > > >> >> > > > orally inflate if > > >> >> > > > needed." > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > -- > > >> >> > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > >> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >> >> > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > >> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >> > > > >> >-- > > >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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