Come on Greg.  Do a little work on your own and stop
re-hashing this bungee wing thing.  If you check the
archives you will find a lot of info on bungee wings.

Are you sure this is not a troll?

For starters:

Bungee wings are not ideal because the bungees will
cause the BC to deflate in the case of a leak in the
wing.  Even a small leak and your wing is useless
because of the bungees forcing the air out.
(dangerous)

The bungees make the wings less streamlined. Since the
bungees do not allow the wings to ride up flat against
the side of your tanks. (not ideal)

If the bungees are not set up properly you can't even
inflate your wing fully. (dangerous)

The bungees make it more difficult to manually inflate
your BC because of the pressure inherent inside a
bungee wing. (not ideal)

Mat.

--- "Kuiper, Greg" <GregKuiper@pa*.co*>
wrote:
> Bill Mee,
>  
> I was dead serious when I made the following
> comment,
>  
> "Also if you feel that bungee wings are dangerous
> would there not be a large
> percentage of the bungee wing wearing crowd dropping
> dead?  "
>  
> You misunderstand me if you feel I am being cute
> with you.  I am simply
> querying as to where the information is derived from
> for your statements.
>  
> I do feel that you are grasping at straws when you
> describe the deaths
> relating to bungee wings.
>  
> You state that Mike Elkins died because he could not
> inflate his bungee
> wings and yet his body was never found.  Is your
> conclusion not an
> assumation of what happened.
>  
> You state that Jane died because she breathed the
> wrong gas thus leading to
> a convulsion and unconsiousness, and then she was
> found with hand locked on
> the inflator.  Are you saying that Jane recovered
> from her O2 hit and then
> her b.c. did not inflate.  Sounds like the
> instructor was at fault not the
> gear.
>  
> You mention four people who have died while solo
> diving.  A miniscule
> percentage compared to the amount of people that
> practice solo diving.
>  
> The reason I question your broad statements is they
> do not seem to have very
> little substance to them.  I feel that you and many
> of your friends on the
> list make very inflammatory accusations with no
> substance to back them up.
>  
> I have no beef with you personally.  I just think
> that b.s. should be
> challenged.  This recent email of yours is seriously
> toned down compared to
> the inflamatory one that you posted earlier.  In
> that one you claimed credit
> for multiple body recoveries and a hatred for the
> agencies that killed those
> people.  If this email is the only support you have
> for your recent post
> then I am far from convinced that your statements
> have any credibility.
>  
> Regards,
> Greg Kuiper
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Mee [mailto:wwm@sa*.ne*]
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:30 PM
> To: Kuiper, Greg; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Cc: kirvine@sa*.ne*; bdi@wh*.ne*
> Subject: Re: controlling manners on channel
> 
> 
> 
> Greg,
>  
> I was referring to the well documented deaths, which
> have been  publicized
> on this and other lists, over the last 2 years. I
> happen to be very familiar
> with several of these cases and well informed with
> respect to others in much
> the same way that you have shared your opinion on
> the deaths at Madison Blue
> Springs.  You will note that I have not commented on
> this tragedy inasmuch
> as I am not informed regarding the specific details.
> Unlike a lot of people
> my memory of the personal side of these tragedies is
> not in a perpetual
> state of erasure.
>  
> You are very cute when you make remarks like 
>  
> "Also if you feel that bungee wings are dangerous
> would there not be a large
> percentage of the bungee wing wearing crowd dropping
> dead?  "
>  
> Well Greg, do people who use cell phones have a
> higher incidence of brain
> tumors or do people with brain tumors tend to like
> to use cell phones? 
>  
>  
> Michael Elkins did not just drop dead. He dropped to
> the bottom in 250fsw
> offshore West Palm Beach, while wearing a wet suit
> and steel back tanks and
> stage bottles. He was low on gas and his bungee
> wings did not inflate.
> Because he was low on gas or as a result of the
> stress of his situation he
> was unable to inflate these wings manaully or
> orally. His body has never
> been recovered.
>  
> Are you aware of the amount of static lung loading
> required to inflate a
> constrained gas bladder?  Completely aside from the
> streamlining issue, do
> you think that is a wise design feature to constrain
> the inflation system on
> a buoyancy compensator?
>  
> Neither did Jane Orenstein simply drop dead. She
> also dropped to 270fsw
> after having breathed the wrong deco gas  during an
> "introductory" training
> session (the high oxygen was on the right side -
> that should be obvious
> right? Especially since there were no easily visble
> bottle markings) while
> her instructor watched her.  When George Irvine, Dan
> Volker and Robert
> Carmichael recovered her body she had her hand
> locked around the inflator of
> her bungee wings. They were not inflated, needless
> to say.
>  
> Maybe Charlie McGurr just dropped dead and nobody
> knows what killed him
> because his buddies, who should have been there to
> be his last
> chance, were making sure that they got their money's
> worth out of their
> precious little charter.  Instead of accompanying
> Charlie to the surface
> they chose to leave him at the worst possible moment
> of his crisis.  Are
> people who solo dive just dropping deaed like flies?
> It's hard to say Greg,
> when there is nobody around, kind of like the tree
> falling in the forest, to
> determine what happened.
>  
> And then there was James Hendersen. Who was found
> dead in Devils Eye with
> both knobs bent off right near the main line and not
> far from the exit. Jim
> was an highly experienced ex fighter pilot and was
> also a airline pilot.
> Gee, what a waste. He could have waited for someone
> to dive with him.
>  
> Oh, Greg, you surely surely haven't forgotten about
> Tony Smith. A real nice
> guy with a lot of friends and a very experienced
> diver. He was effectively
> solo when he jumped off the back of a dive boat with
> his air off, grossly
> overweighted, and unfortunately, by himself.  In his
> case the bungy wings
> weren't at fault because there was no gas available
> to inflate them. His
> buddies saved him, his deadbody that is, after they
> had completed their dive
> and realized he wasn't around.
>  
> And last but not least, you just had to take a cheap
> shot as us on the issue
> of the USDCT finding broken lines at Wakulla. The
> broken lines these guys
> found were their own mess that their project had
> installed years prior and
> we had left in place.  You should be real proud that
> they followed your
> recommendation and ran more line over the existing
> lines. A propos of
> nothing, Henry Kendall was "solo diving" a Mk Cis
> Lunar rebreather in
> Wakulla springs under the aegis of the USDCT when
> "natural causes" overcame
> him and he was found face down on the bottom of the
> spring. 
>  
> 
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