Wrolf,

First off, let's put your comments in perspective. 
You dive solo.  Solo diving and DIR do not mesh
together particularly well.  

Just because Dave Sutton gives an accurate depiction
of the way that some people dive in the North East,
does not make it right.  There may even be people in
all areas of the world who dive the way Dave Sutton
dives.  That still doesn't make it right.  

You are right though that people regard Dave's
equipment configuration as entertaining.  This is
because he has not been able to defend one bit of
reasoning behind his system with regard to why it is
better, safer, and less prone to failure. His only
defense has been "This is how I've done it for 25
years".  DIR on the other hand has been able to defend
these points. Every time Dave opens his mouth he says
something dumber than the time before.  This is why
people find his posts entertaining. He keeps trying to
defend the indefensible.

As I have tried to explained before, and I'm not sure
if everyone has noticed this, this list works in the
following way based on my observations:

1. People talk about some equipment configuration.
2. If it is not totally ideal people critisize it
3. People argue back and forth.
4. The stuff that is better is more defensible in the
   debate, so it comes out the winner at the end of 
   the discussion.


So, given this is how the list works, and given that
Dave Sutton and some other NE type divers have not
been able to defend their way of doing things it means
they do not have an ideal system.

So.........

On all fronts DIR has come out the winner.  No one has
been able to come up with any good argurments against
it as yet.  No one has been able to come up with
anything better as yet.  

So why doesn't everybody dive DIR?

You said:

>I do not
> know whether they are rejected because they are
> inappropriate for
> conditions here;

Wrolf, put your money where your mouth is so to speak.
Explain to the list (in detail) why DIR does not work
in the NE.  I'm not asking you to explain what system
you use or to justify your system, just to explain why
DIR does not work in the NE.

So far the list has had a lot of fun (at Dave's
expense) critizing the equipment configuration of some
NE divers.  Now it's your turn to return the favour. 
Are you up for it?

If you can't maybe Dave can. You want to take a shot
at this Dave?  

Now this might make for some real entertainment.

Mat.

--- Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@wr*.ne*> wrote:
SNIP!
> Dave Sutton certainly gives an accurate picture of
> NE wreck diving.  You
> seem to regard it as entertaining, but it is still
> an accurate
> picture.
> 
> WKPP/DIR/Hogarthian techniques are known to many
> advanced NE wreck
> divers, and
> almost without exception rejected.  I do not
> understand why.  I do not
> know whether they are rejected because they are
> inappropriate for
> conditions here;
> because people are resistant to change; or because
> of the foul mouthed
> venom
> for which the proponents of DIR are well known.
> 
> I suspect a little of each.  DIR techniques have no
> leading proponents
> in the
> NY/NJ area, and have made no adjustments to it.  I
> look forward to the
> time when
> consideration is given in the DIR system for low
> vis, high current, cold
> water, anchored boat diving.
> 
> Of course, people are resistant to change,
> especially when they do not
> see a
> problem with what they are doing.  A little
> evangelism could help here.
> Unfortunately none of the DIR proponents that I have
> invited to speak at
> local dive clubs have taken me up on the offer.  I
> make it again: if
> George
> or Jarrod are prepared to speak in front of the
> local New York clubs,
> drop me a line and I will arrange it.
> 
> The foul mouthed garbage on this list turns many
> people off
> immediately.  This
> is what this list is known for in the diving
> community.  As one of the
> founding members of this list, this still infuriates
> me.  It totally
> destroys
> the message.  Think of a car salesman (or bond
> salesman if you prefer),
> trying
> to sell to a new customer by calling them a "bone
> smuggler".  Not only
> do you
> put off that customer that time, you probably put
> them off permanently,
> and
> put off a bunch of lurkers at the same time.
> 
> If you have not made the sale, then move on.  Maybe
> you can make the
> sale later.
> Burning bridges does not pay.
> 
> -- 
> Wrolf
> 
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> 
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