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George, Agreed. Things are tamer now. Sankey and I never managed mixed it up despite the fake and I remember very well your getting booted on Cserve. If I remember right what did it was you sending the Sysop of the Scuba Forum a private email suggesting that he should SYD. I'm sure you got the sushi for that one. I was on Cserve for a long time and made a lot of friends there. Some knew what they were doing, some didn't and still don't. And yes, it WAS a strokefest of awesome proportions--I was one of them. I finally signed off of Cserve for good. But that is where I got my initial info about cave diving when I got interested in 1988-9. It's funny how things work out. The thing that got me interested in cave diving in the first place was an article in Outside Magazine about Huautla and Bill Stone's group down there in Mexico. I thought it sounded like a pretty awesome thing to do and started reading whatever I could, online and elsewhere. What I didn't know at the time was that the guy was dangerous to himself and others--mostly to others--until a few years ago when Outside ran another article about that rebreather death down there that Stone chalked up to insulin shock, I think. I forget the guys name, but the piece in Outside gave one the distinct impression that Stone was obsessed and "go-crazy" and even willing to risk lives to get a record. Well, I don't think he ever got it there and it took Exley for him to get anywhere in Wakulla during his first expedition there. The biggest thing I've heard out of WakkyII is them complaining about the cut-up lines and nasty notes they found in Wakulla. I've met your team of divers and I don't believe this at all. You may be a madman online, but I know the WKPP team is serious and dedicated to safety and exploration. I cannot imagine a situation where any of them would endanger another diver. Quite the opposite. Safety and results were lacking in both in my opinion during the Wakulla II stint. For Heinreth to imply as she has done in more than one place that the WKPP engaged in sabotage, and the implication is that such could cause a death and that would therefore be a form of murder, is way beyond the pale. The only death I'm aware of in their team was during a solo dive in the basin and that one was pretty costly. There was a time when I thought that you should just shut-up and let others speak, but the flaw in that reasoning was the notion that you had any control whatsoever over what others have to say. You do not. I wish that those who disagree you and others on whatever relevant grounds would do other than send nasty lovenotes online. What they are missing is that in between the rants you and others are dispensing valuable info from a rich source of personal experience in the Woodville Karst Plain systems. Despite the way the package is wrapped, it beats the hell out of what the whiners have to offer to date. I was checking out an ADSL info site yesterday to find out why I was getting timed out on my MAC and found the Mindspring CTO slugging it out with some other tech guy on a bulletin board dedicated to the subject. They were getting pretty harsh with each other over there, but in between the "moronic protocol," "only a jerk would . . .", and "can kiss my protocols" I got a wealth of info. So much so I bookmarked the site for future reference. I view these lists as similar to a group of divers shooting the shit before and after dives. Sometimes it gets a little rough. Those who don't know dick are going to get slammed and wander off, but if they think their ideas have merit they'll wander back and if they have the guts to be heard, then they'll step up and pet the pony once more. Keep the words flying . . . on both sides. Later, JoeL > From: kirvine@sa*.ne* > Reply-To: kirvine@sa*.ne* > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:14:30 -0400 > To: Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*> > Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Subject: Re: Heavy Metal > > Joel, remember the days of fake email? I sent a fake to you of Rick > Sankey threatening to kick your ass. For those of you who do not know > these two, Sankey is a marathon runner type, and Markwell is a pretty > big boy who teaches karate for "kicks". Those were some funny times on > the lists, and these guys complain now? They never saw the real insanity -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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