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Joel, you are right about the lines and notes. The cluterfuck of lines were the ones installed by the usdct the last time - we left them as they were - broken and a mess. The clear tunnels lines they installed wer #18 twist, and broke constantly - we did not need them and left them alone. We removed the unnecessary crap that got in our way, like the ABC junction and the C line out to the corner so we could video in there. The clear lines they complained aobut are all within 400 feet of the entrance. There was anoher group diving there other than us and the usdct that kept putting the B Tunnel line back in, and I cut it down everytime I passed it. This line and the C line are about like having lines in the parking lot. I removed the T at D so my the bottles would not ever get on the wrong line, but a monkey cound see the jump. They never noticed that one, as they ran a new line over the whole thing and made a huge mess of it. The K Tunnel line broke on a dive ( it took them two months to get there, a measly 4000 feet, and that was in my story about the dive - JJ and I never went back there before the usdct did, or we would have picked it back up. I never even knew where the other lines were since we came of of the top of the "Mountain" and ran the wall out. The last time I saw that line was the day that I put it in in 1993. It turned out that it did not really break, it just fell down. We had started a new line from a different pendant when we put it in originally, and that one is the one that fell. Brent drove over to the campsite of thes assholes and got in their face over that one - they were not so brave in person, and will always get our full disrespect and ridicule for being pussies and assholes from the top to the bottom.They are so weak it is pathetic. The notes that they found were our own guys teasing each pother , except for the catfish note which I did myself. Chris Werner and I were diving together that day and we both had to get safety divers on us so we could face away from each other - we could not stop laughing and were afraid we would drown. The catfish had Bill Stone's famous words on a note in it mouth, "Triple This". Those pusises went running to everyone with that note, and that note says it all. They were out of their league and had no business being there, and they proved it, and continue to prove it. Joel Markwell wrote: > > George, > > Agreed. Things are tamer now. Sankey and I never managed mixed it up despite > the fake and I remember very well your getting booted on Cserve. If I > remember right what did it was you sending the Sysop of the Scuba Forum a > private email suggesting that he should SYD. I'm sure you got the sushi for > that one. > > I was on Cserve for a long time and made a lot of friends there. Some knew > what they were doing, some didn't and still don't. And yes, it WAS a > strokefest of awesome proportions--I was one of them. I finally signed off > of Cserve for good. But that is where I got my initial info about cave > diving when I got interested in 1988-9. > > It's funny how things work out. The thing that got me interested in cave > diving in the first place was an article in Outside Magazine about Huautla > and Bill Stone's group down there in Mexico. I thought it sounded like a > pretty awesome thing to do and started reading whatever I could, online and > elsewhere. What I didn't know at the time was that the guy was dangerous to > himself and others--mostly to others--until a few years ago when Outside ran > another article about that rebreather death down there that Stone chalked up > to insulin shock, I think. I forget the guys name, but the piece in Outside > gave one the distinct impression that Stone was obsessed and "go-crazy" and > even willing to risk lives to get a record. Well, I don't think he ever got > it there and it took Exley for him to get anywhere in Wakulla during his > first expedition there. > > The biggest thing I've heard out of WakkyII is them complaining about the > cut-up lines and nasty notes they found in Wakulla. I've met your team of > divers and I don't believe this at all. You may be a madman online, but I > know the WKPP team is serious and dedicated to safety and exploration. I > cannot imagine a situation where any of them would endanger another diver. > Quite the opposite. Safety and results were lacking in both in my opinion > during the Wakulla II stint. For Heinreth to imply as she has done in more > than one place that the WKPP engaged in sabotage, and the implication is > that such could cause a death and that would therefore be a form of murder, > is way beyond the pale. The only death I'm aware of in their team was during > a solo dive in the basin and that one was pretty costly. > > There was a time when I thought that you should just shut-up and let others > speak, but the flaw in that reasoning was the notion that you had any > control whatsoever over what others have to say. You do not. I wish that > those who disagree you and others on whatever relevant grounds would do > other than send nasty lovenotes online. What they are missing is that in > between the rants you and others are dispensing valuable info from a rich > source of personal experience in the Woodville Karst Plain systems. Despite > the way the package is wrapped, it beats the hell out of what the whiners > have to offer to date. > > I was checking out an ADSL info site yesterday to find out why I was getting > timed out on my MAC and found the Mindspring CTO slugging it out with some > other tech guy on a bulletin board dedicated to the subject. They were > getting pretty harsh with each other over there, but in between the "moronic > protocol," "only a jerk would . . .", and "can kiss my protocols" I got a > wealth of info. So much so I bookmarked the site for future reference. > > I view these lists as similar to a group of divers shooting the shit before > and after dives. Sometimes it gets a little rough. Those who don't know dick > are going to get slammed and wander off, but if they think their ideas have > merit they'll wander back and if they have the guts to be heard, then > they'll step up and pet the pony once more. > > Keep the words flying . . . on both sides. > > Later, > > JoeL > > > From: kirvine@sa*.ne* > > Reply-To: kirvine@sa*.ne* > > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:14:30 -0400 > > To: Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*> > > Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Subject: Re: Heavy Metal > > > > Joel, remember the days of fake email? I sent a fake to you of Rick > > Sankey threatening to kick your ass. For those of you who do not know > > these two, Sankey is a marathon runner type, and Markwell is a pretty > > big boy who teaches karate for "kicks". Those were some funny times on > > the lists, and these guys complain now? They never saw the real insanity -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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