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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 03:04:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: William Smithers <will@tr*.co*>
To: kirvine@sa*.ne*
cc: Joel Markwell <joeldm@mi*.co*>, Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>,
     rebreather@nw*.co*
Subject: Re: Heavy Metal


On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:

> Then for the real "tekkies", there is the "Rebreather" list. This is a
> dreamland of unrealistic stupidity unrivaled anywhere. It has all of the
> very most polite people on it, and some of the biggest geeks ever. There
> are sugggestions about diving on there so stupid that even the most hard
> core personal preference liberal will be happy.I am banned from that
> list permanently. None of the WKPP rebreather divers are on that list.

Banned, banned, banned.  Gosh, there seems to be a repeating theme
here, doesn't there?  George Irvine, dispenser of inviolate truths,
gets dissed by the vast majority of ignorant list owners.  Yeah,
that *must* be it.  I don't suppose it could be because you and
your Brown Shirts feel it appropriate to ride rough-shod over
the natives, who are merely content to discuss whatever the topic
at hand is, could it?

Oh, wait, I forgot, you can always call in your lawyer, Alton Hall, in 
a pinch, right?

-Will
(Alton, please feel free to call Stephan Mallenbaum, my retained partner
at Jones, Day, here in NY, should Mr. Irvine incite you to feel
particularly mouthful this morning).







> There is also the Compuserve Scuba Forum which has about ten sub forums
> from medical to fetish and of course, I have been permantently banned
> from evey last one of them. The level of politeness there is the
> highest, in inverse proportion to the information level. I can tell you
> that getting kicked off of there brought tears to my eyes - of laughter.
> 
> There are also the decompression list, which I am not on, the Cave
> science list, which I am not on, the Houston Cavers list, which I am not
> on, the Virginina Beach tec list ( not on ) and many,many others which I
> am not on.
> 
> I am on "cavers", and I am on "WKPP", so the strokes need to avoid those
> two lists where there are no rules.
> 
> However, I am the one and only person ever to get kicked off of
> "techdiver", and even Tom Mount complained about that. They brought me
> back by popular demand. The fact is that the message is what makes the
> mooks look like mooks, and I think the mooks have proven that
> themselves, especially this last round of idiots that showed up.
> 
> Joel, remember the days of fake email? I sent a fake to you of Rick
> Sankey threatening to kick your ass. For those of you who do not know
> these two, Sankey is a marathon runner type, and Markwell is a pretty
> big boy who teaches karate for "kicks". Those were some funny times on
> the lists, and these guys complain now? They never saw the real insanity
> ...
>  
> Joel Markwell wrote:
> > 
> > I've been reading and occasionally posting to Techdiver almost since its
> > inception. And before that on other lists and services for nearly 12 years.
> > One thing that has always been a constant is that there are always
> > opinionated people on such services. SCUBA and especially Techdiving seems
> > to attract that personality type. Some keep it to themselves, others feel
> > compelled to share their thoughts. Sometimes that's good, sometimes not.
> > 
> > Techdiver has always been an especially open, no-holds-barred forum for any
> > and all ideas related to the subject and that is good. What is not good, in
> > my opinion, is all the personality BS that flies in every direction. We
> > could do with more signal on the signal-to-noise ratio. But some things
> > can't be changed and I'd rather have the discourse than not, so I have hung
> > in there, mostly listening, sometime questioning, occasionally contributing.
> > 
> > But every now and then we get new guys on the block who feels compelled to
> > rid us of the forces of evil on the list and spend a lot of time howling at
> > the wind. threatening, cajoling and complaining. Outslamming the slammers in
> > volume (in both senses of that word) and trying to speak for the "silent
> > majority" who are said to be tired of the BS.
> > 
> > What usually ends up happening is they emit a last harrumph and move on,
> > tired of the noise, tired of the fights, but unwilling to stand their
> > ground, often unsure of what ground they are standing on. These divers are
> > like someone going to a Heavy Metal concert, complaining about the noise,
> > but not content to just recognize their mistake and move on. They feel
> > compelled to grab a mike and bitch at the band first like anyone in the
> > audience cared.
> > 
> > It would be OK with me if we could reduce the noise, I'm sure there are
> > plenty out there who feel that way, because there's a helluva lot of signal
> > here. But failing that I'll keep hanging in and filter out the static
> > myself. I do have a suggestion for the whiners, though. Start your own list,
> > maybe the Polite Divers List. Any takers?
> > 
> > Later,
> > 
> > JoeL
> > 
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