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There is a line between First Amendment rights and unlawful speech. Untruthful damaging language is actionable in a court of law. Rest assured that George will pursue such action if necessary. Alton Hall Bill Em wrote: > Kuiper, > > George and Chris are right on the mark. You really are a conniving trouble > maker and a world class stroke. Just get your facts straight next time you > run your little alligator mouth on the list. > > The sniveling bullshit you wrote below confirms this. > > Greg Kuiper Wrote: > "How about the times you have bugged out on your dive buddies when the going > got tough, how about the time that you shut off the deco gas on a bunch of > boat divers? How many dive boats won't let you on board George?" > > These are the facts: > > The time was 1992 and Tom Mount and myself had finished our deco and were > drifting together on the surface, within sight of the dive boat We were > forced off the anchor line following its release from the Cruz Del Sur wreck > off of the Haulover Inlet. The dive boat was a reef cat with a large > windage and this pulled the anchor line so rapidly to the surface that we > had to bail out or explosively decompress. After performing more than ample > decompression (remember I was with Mount who does not take risks) we > surfaced and hailed the dive boat only to not have it respond, because > several notorious strokes had decided to clear their computers while hanging > on a deco rig attached to the boat. The boat captain could not free the > deco system and consequently continued to drift further and further away > from us. George, who had long finished his deco was on the boat and tried > fruitlessly to get the captain to terminate the deco and come and get us. > All the while Mount and I kept trying to get the attention of the boat, but > no matter how much we hollered and waved nothing happened. The situation was > disturbing to say the least. After wainting nearly two hours the boat > finally came and picked us up, but the situation was far from resolved. > > Tom's best friend, Mario, was missing and we presumed possibly dead, because > he was nowhere to be found and the dive boat could not search for him, until > a call came in on the radio that a sport fishing boat had picked him up far > off shore. The asshole who was responsible for decoing far beyond anything > which was necessary, especially since we had all done exactly the same > bottom time, was notorious for pulling bullshit like this. The problem was > so bad that we nicknamed the guy "hangman". Even Mount, who is good natured > and deferential to the worst strokes, was pissed. This same individual > nearly caused the death of Joe Citelli two years ago in Little River > Springs. The two were scooter diving in the back of the Spring and got into > a bad silt out. This individual clawed his way over Citelli and fled the > cave, leaving the entire system totally silted out and exited the water in a > panic and howling that there was a diver in trouble. By chance Ken Sallot > of the WKPP happened to be there and he scootered into cave and located > Citrellli, who was dangerously low on air, and towed him out. To the best of > my knowledge this individual no longer dives. > > Obviously, we learned a lot from this epsiode. Beyond the don't dive with > strokes. Thanks to George we finally got picked up. Had it not been for > him forcing closure to this bullshit, idiotic, unnecessary deco situation > Mount and myself would have been in deep trouble, literally. The idiot > captain of the dive boat never thought to call for assistance. > > As for bugging out on his dive buddies when the going gets "tough". What do > you mean by "tough"? Sure Greggie, you tell us about "tough". You are a > real hoot. > > As for you Kuiper, keep diving solo with your bungee wings and the rest of > your stroke mess. You are totally free to exercie your first amendment > rights to be the bitter, resentful ignoramus that you so well demonstrate > to all of us. When you are on your 16th +1 cave dive be sure to run lots of > line over all of the other lines. Have at it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > To: Kuiper, Greg <GregKuiper@pa*.co*> > Cc: werner@qu*.gl*.fs*.ed* <werner@qu*.gl*.fs*.ed*>; wwm@sa*.ne* > <wwm@sa*.ne*> > Date: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 2:44 PM > Subject: Re: the Pussy Re: Madison blue fatatlities > > >I am going to stick to hammering your ignorant ass every time you open > >your mouth, and then when you come here, you can try yor bullshit in > >person. There is nobody who dove with me who told you any such thing. > >You can not substantiate it simply because it is not true. > > > >The fact is that anyone who would even talk to you has no idea what I > >do, and the fact is that you can not even imagine what it takes to do > >what I do. > > > >The further fact is that you are a known stroke, and the obvious is that > >you have something to prove. Do it someplace other than in diving. Too > >may of you pussies keep making the newswpaper. > > > >You and the other losers out there wnat so badly to find anything that > >you think will somehow "discredit" me - the fact there is that I have a > >huge track record on the one hand , and on the other hand this is no big > >deal to any of us, just out of reach for strokes like you and your pals, > >so that leaves you spitting out petty resentments from Califonia on your > >computer. Neither you nor any of the local pussies has anything to say > >to me when I am around, and none of you has anything that any of us > >want. > > > >We do it, the rest of you bullshit about it. > > > >Kuiper, Greg wrote: > >> > >> Once again George you prove yourself to be a liar. I never threatened > >> Chris, I simply stated that if he had a personal problem with me to > >> give me a ring when he makes it to CA. The same applies to you. If > >> you want to challenge me in person than by all means do so. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*] > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:53 AM > >> To: Kuiper, Greg > >> Cc: werner@qu*.gl*.fs*.ed*; wwm@sa*.ne* > >> Subject: the Pussy Re: Madison blue fatatlities > >> > >> Chris, is this the pussy who threatened you? I hear he was giving you > >> cave diving advice. Maybe if you lived in California and took a resort > >> > >> course in Mexico , instead of being a top WKPP exploration diver, you > >> too could be dispensing all kinds of advice and being a tough guy on > >> Techdiver, like Kuiper. > >> > >> Kuiper, Greg wrote: > >> > > >> > I look forward towards meeting you and Chris Werner > >> > Greg Kuiper > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 8:49 AM > >> > To: Kuiper, Greg > >> > Subject: Re: Madison blue fatatlities > >> > > >> > Kuiper, Greg wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Is it just that you can't count George? > >> > > I said I did 16 cave dives in Akumal this year and have been cave > >> > > diving since 1978. > >> > > Greg Kuiper > >> > > >> > You have no business dispensing cave diving advice, and even less > >> > putting out bullshit about me "leaving" anyone. You need to back > >> that > >> > one up. You can be sure you will never get one seconds peace from me > >> > >> > until you have put out the appology on that one, and you sure as > >> hell > >> > better hope that you never meet me, or Chris Werner. I noticed you > >> > claerly have no idea who you are talking to there, either. > >> > > >> > You also do not seem to realize that every time one of these > >> strokes > >> > feeds you some bulhsit which yoi so eagerly jump on, that there is a > >> > >> > far > >> > better story about them out there which I will plaster all over hell > >> > >> > and > >> > back. Your best bet is to figure out who the players are, who the > >> > fuckups are, and then decide what you want to be. So far you are a > >> > known > >> > fuckup of major proportions - all due directly to yor stroke > >> attitude > >> > -, > >> > and have scored heavily on the ignornat scale publicly on the lists. > >> > >> > > >> > Let me suggest you turn it around now . > > > > > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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