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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: William Smithers <will@tr*.co*>
To: kirvine@sa*.ne*
cc: Dave Sutton <dsutton@re*.or*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Portrait of a loonie, WAS: Madison Blue


On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:

> Hypocrite - Smithers is not only a friend of mine whose chops I will
> bust as often as he busts mine, but is also an willing "expert" on
> everything, including his newest sport, cave diving.

Hey. since when did I say I was any sort of "expert" on cave diving?
I'm the first to admit I'm not - all I did was report what I'd
been told on the Madison fatalities, as I figured it might
be awhile before the full facts came out.  Thanks to Dell,
we got the first-hand facts quickly.

-Will


 
> Contrary to your assumptions, wreck diving and ocean diving are about
> 3:1 with me over cave diving, I grew up in New England, and contrary to
> your assumptions I am no different in person than I am right here. In
> fact, when faced wtih a jerk like you I am a whole lot less pleasant in
> person that I am on here. What your boy Mouth is referring to by me
> being a "pussycat" is tht fact that not only have I and my predecessors
> spent a great deal of time nicely and politely trying to explain to him
> what is going on in cave diving that we do and he does not, we have
> repeatedly invited him to join us in Tallahasee, which he has done. He
> then reverts within a week to whatever silliness you see us criticizing
> him for. The effort by us was merely to try to get the head of a
> training agency to benefit from what we have learned. Not happening,
> obviously, so we started our own at WKPP and Jarrod took it commercial
> with the G.U.E. and already has a worldwide following.
> 
> Not only do our methods apply perfectly to wreck diving, as anyone who
> does it or way will tell you, it seems to do better than anyone elses'
> efforts on the Britannic recently, and it appears that the Alaskan,
> Canadian, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, German and English cold water
> divers find it optimal.
> 
> You want a fight with me, and you are going to get one every time you
> open your mouth. So far you have provided zero information that has any
> value. It has all been crap, and your own little personal problem with
> me. You can take that up with me any time you like, and in the meantime,
> I will take up the fact that you have no clue, and will do it point by
> point.
> 
> 
> Dave Sutton wrote:
> > 
> > Interesting psychology here:
> > 
> > >Denis, Smithers is a new "cave diver", as you can see by his comments.
> > 
> > Notice how Georgie the Insecure must first attempt to
> > establish his 'superiority' over the others posting before
> > he goes on to self-aggrandize. Who gives a shit about
> > the experience level of anyone who simply put forth a
> > simple news item for our edification? Georges typical style:
> > First, spout how 'nobody knows what I know". That specious
> > statement made, on with the normal rant. I'd like to see
> > him -just once- start out without attacking the person who
> > preceded him in debate.
> > 
> > >"experienced New York cave diver" is an oxymoron. Cave diving, like
> > >flying a helcopter, is extremly dangerous unless you do it all the time.
> > 
> > Here we have another clue to his manifest insanity. It's somehow
> > OK for him to be an experienced NE Wreck diver and produce
> > all sorts of drivel regarding the techniques that are used by guys
> > doing it every day, yet when the locales are exchanged, suddenly
> > it's impossible for a northern resident to be acceptably skilled in
> > a Florida based sport. So, Georgie, which is it? You don't wreck dive
> > all the time, so are you unsafe at it? Or are you -special-?  Feeling
> > that you are somehow 'perfect', with an unrealistic view of your
> > own limitations is a baseline sign of an internal disorder.
> > 
> > BTW, Will: Ya start yer helicopter lessons yet? ;-)
> > 
> > >My further opinion, again , without knowing a thing about this accident,
> > 
> > Nice to hold an opinion before knowing any of the facts. Glad
> > aviation safety investigations are not run this way. My old
> > Grandpop used to say "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone
> > has one". Start out with a conclusion and then find facts to
> > support them. You ought to go into politics! I hear that the
> > UK Loonie Party is looking for a new candidate now that
> > the Cat that they had died.
> > 
> > What a friggin loser. Hard to believe that all do not see that he's just
> > plain whacko. Gifted in one area, and that's expressing his insecurity
> > by constantly attempting to prove himself whether stretching string
> > or attacking people here. Funny thing is that people say he's pretty
> > meek in public. He would need to be, if he was as obscene in public
> > as he is from behind a keyboard, he's probably not have lived long
> > enough to have graduated from 12th grade.
> > 
> > Sheessh. I'd take Will at my 6 when things get tough -long- before
> > I'd take someboy that has something to prove to himself.
> > 
> > Back to yer Prozac now, Georgie.
> > 
> > Dave Sutton
> > 
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