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Will, payback for the "Neo Nazi DIR" joke. However, your use of the term "experienced New York cave diver" is pretty funny. What this slob Sutton does not realize is that the ocean does not just hover around New Jersey, and that while he is real proud of the nothing he does, the fact is that thousands do it with the same degree of success he experiences, while the ranks of those who do what we do can be counted on one hand. Clearly, and as you have had a taste of and will get a real life version of when you come to film the WKPP, this is no joke, and the death toll confirms that. The fact is that anyone doing any of the stupid this this sutton blowhard recommends would be dead fast in our environment, and I am talking the easy, "recreational" open to the public stuff. In our league, nothing this guy recommends would even be allowed, and it is no accident that the WKPP are the only ones who can get anything done in the region. Others have a long history of trying and failing, and most recently we saw the ultimate proof of this by the "usdct". The one good thing that came from that? Nobody else will ever get the chance, and that means we have all the time in the world to do it at our convenience in the order that it should be done - Leon Sinks and then Wakulla, and the guys who have supported me and busted their chops are going to ge to explore some serious cave and set the records, not some phonies or pretenders, but the skilled and the deserving. Also as you know , the knowledge gained by the WKPP is influenceing all aspects of diving worldwide, and it is my hope that the crap like what comes out of the suttons will be completely absent in a few more years. William Smithers wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > > Hypocrite - Smithers is not only a friend of mine whose chops I will > > bust as often as he busts mine, but is also an willing "expert" on > > everything, including his newest sport, cave diving. > > Hey. since when did I say I was any sort of "expert" on cave diving? > I'm the first to admit I'm not - all I did was report what I'd > been told on the Madison fatalities, as I figured it might > be awhile before the full facts came out. Thanks to Dell, > we got the first-hand facts quickly. > > -Will > > > > Contrary to your assumptions, wreck diving and ocean diving are about > > 3:1 with me over cave diving, I grew up in New England, and contrary to > > your assumptions I am no different in person than I am right here. In > > fact, when faced wtih a jerk like you I am a whole lot less pleasant in > > person that I am on here. What your boy Mouth is referring to by me > > being a "pussycat" is tht fact that not only have I and my predecessors > > spent a great deal of time nicely and politely trying to explain to him > > what is going on in cave diving that we do and he does not, we have > > repeatedly invited him to join us in Tallahasee, which he has done. He > > then reverts within a week to whatever silliness you see us criticizing > > him for. The effort by us was merely to try to get the head of a > > training agency to benefit from what we have learned. Not happening, > > obviously, so we started our own at WKPP and Jarrod took it commercial > > with the G.U.E. and already has a worldwide following. > > > > Not only do our methods apply perfectly to wreck diving, as anyone who > > does it or way will tell you, it seems to do better than anyone elses' > > efforts on the Britannic recently, and it appears that the Alaskan, > > Canadian, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, German and English cold water > > divers find it optimal. > > > > You want a fight with me, and you are going to get one every time you > > open your mouth. So far you have provided zero information that has any > > value. It has all been crap, and your own little personal problem with > > me. You can take that up with me any time you like, and in the meantime, > > I will take up the fact that you have no clue, and will do it point by > > point. > > > > > > Dave Sutton wrote: > > > > > > Interesting psychology here: > > > > > > >Denis, Smithers is a new "cave diver", as you can see by his comments. > > > > > > Notice how Georgie the Insecure must first attempt to > > > establish his 'superiority' over the others posting before > > > he goes on to self-aggrandize. Who gives a shit about > > > the experience level of anyone who simply put forth a > > > simple news item for our edification? Georges typical style: > > > First, spout how 'nobody knows what I know". That specious > > > statement made, on with the normal rant. I'd like to see > > > him -just once- start out without attacking the person who > > > preceded him in debate. > > > > > > >"experienced New York cave diver" is an oxymoron. Cave diving, like > > > >flying a helcopter, is extremly dangerous unless you do it all the time. > > > > > > Here we have another clue to his manifest insanity. It's somehow > > > OK for him to be an experienced NE Wreck diver and produce > > > all sorts of drivel regarding the techniques that are used by guys > > > doing it every day, yet when the locales are exchanged, suddenly > > > it's impossible for a northern resident to be acceptably skilled in > > > a Florida based sport. So, Georgie, which is it? You don't wreck dive > > > all the time, so are you unsafe at it? Or are you -special-? Feeling > > > that you are somehow 'perfect', with an unrealistic view of your > > > own limitations is a baseline sign of an internal disorder. > > > > > > BTW, Will: Ya start yer helicopter lessons yet? ;-) > > > > > > >My further opinion, again , without knowing a thing about this accident, > > > > > > Nice to hold an opinion before knowing any of the facts. Glad > > > aviation safety investigations are not run this way. My old > > > Grandpop used to say "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone > > > has one". Start out with a conclusion and then find facts to > > > support them. You ought to go into politics! I hear that the > > > UK Loonie Party is looking for a new candidate now that > > > the Cat that they had died. > > > > > > What a friggin loser. Hard to believe that all do not see that he's just > > > plain whacko. Gifted in one area, and that's expressing his insecurity > > > by constantly attempting to prove himself whether stretching string > > > or attacking people here. Funny thing is that people say he's pretty > > > meek in public. He would need to be, if he was as obscene in public > > > as he is from behind a keyboard, he's probably not have lived long > > > enough to have graduated from 12th grade. > > > > > > Sheessh. I'd take Will at my 6 when things get tough -long- before > > > I'd take someboy that has something to prove to himself. > > > > > > Back to yer Prozac now, Georgie. > > > > > > Dave Sutton > > > > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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