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This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF1CE4.0014F37C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris Werner, If you read my post completely you might have noticed the following passage: "I don't mean every single tight place where there could be zero visibility, but in those areas where there could be multiple paths and only one leads to the exit." Also you might rethink cave diving if line entanglement is a common problem you experience. I have yet to become hopelessly entangled by a line or multiple lines in a cave or wreck as you describe. In your email you claim that the deaths at Madison Blue came from the following: "It is obvious that these guys got themselves into a situation in which they could not figure out how to solve. They were unfamiliar with this portion of the cave probably due to the fact that there had been a collapse here earlier. Instead of blindly pushing through a restriction, they should have made sure the line was properly placed so that they could find their way out. They also should have been careful not to get tangled or break the line in the first place" Has it been confirmed that the line was broken or that a knot slipped. You mention that they blindly pushed through a restriction. Is this an area that has zero visibility as you go through it (tannic)?Are you claiming that the deaths were their fault and that running a separate line would not have saved their lives? On another note if you are trying to upset me by criticizing my reasoning skills and berating me, you will have to do better than that. If you feel the need to behave the same way with me in person because you disagree with an idea that I put out for discussion then send me an email next time you plan to visit CA. I have received twenty seven emails from other cavers who have told me that they already follow this practice or feel it is a good idea. I appreciate the responses from those who are into discussing different practices and methodologies that work for them. Sincerely, Greg Kuiper ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF1CE4.0014F37C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE>Madison blue fatatlities</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>Chris Werner,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>If you read my post completely you might have noticed the following <FONT face=Arial size=2>passage:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=042510123-22101999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>"I don't mean every single tight place where there could be zero visibility, but in those areas where there could be multiple paths and only one leads to the exit."</FONT></DIV> <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>Also you might rethink cave diving if line entanglement is a common problem you experience. I have yet to become hopelessly entangled by a line or multiple lines in a cave or wreck as you describe.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>In your email you claim that the deaths at Madison Blue came from the following:</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>"It is obvious that these guys got themselves into a situation in which they could not figure out how to solve. They were unfamiliar with this portion of the cave probably due to the fact that there had been a collapse here earlier. Instead of blindly pushing through a restriction, they should have made sure the line was properly placed so that they could find their way out. They also should have been careful not to get tangled or break the line in the first place"</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>Has it been confirmed that the line was broken or that a knot slipped. You mention that they blindly pushed through a restriction. Is this an area that has zero visibility as you go through it (tannic)?Are you claiming that the deaths were their fault and that running a separate line would not have saved their lives?</SPAN></FONT></P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2> <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>On another note if you are trying to upset me by criticizing my reasoning skills and berating me, you will have to do better than that. If you feel the need to behave the same way with me in person because you disagree with an idea that I put out for discussion then send me an email next time you plan to visit CA. </SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>I have received twenty seven emails from other cavers who have told me that they already follow this practice or feel it is a good idea. I appreciate the responses from those who are into discussing different practices and methodologies that work for them.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>Sincerely,</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999>Greg Kuiper</SPAN></FONT></P></FONT> <P><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=042510123-22101999></SPAN></FONT> </P></SPAN></BODY>&l t;/HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF1CE4.0014F37C-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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