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I hear Derrick McKnulty still is an active IANTD instructor.  Tom is that
correct?  For
those of you who are new to the list Derrick was Jane Orenstein instructor who
died during
her Trimix course. Many people hold Derrick responsible for Orensteins death.  
How can
you let this guy still teach Tom.



kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:

> Igge, I agree with you in that people need more diving time before doing
> anything implied by these courses. What gas they are using is not the
> issue, it is the pressure placed on the diver by the training agencies
> to take their ( bullshit ) courses .
>
> The real way is to do a bunch of diving, and then go to the guys who
> actually do the dives, not the talkers, pretenders, and posers, to
> really learn.
>
> My experience running the Woodville Karst Plain Project is that anyone
> trained by IANTD, and by Tom Mount particular, has had to be completely
> retrained, without exception, before they could be used by us for
> anything including making coffee.
>
> Anyone want ottargue that with me ? Anyone want to confirm that this is
> the truth?
>
> Ingemar Lundgren wrote:
> >
> > 100 dives are just not enough.  200 dives or more and previous experience
with
> > decompression diving is what is required in my opinion as an absolute
minimum. I do
> > absolutely NOT think that deep air should be required as a prerequisite.
Deep air
> > has no place in any diving course.  Look at GUE´s course program which i
think is a
> > lot better.
> >
> > Level1 40m  max, oxygen decompression,  prerequisite 100 dives
> >
> > Level2 60m max >16% o2 Trimix ,  prerequisite minimum 200 dives.  Also a
lot more
> > dives in the course than the IANTD normoxic program.
> >
> > What i am saying is that IANTD is to commercial and have lowered the
standards to
> > enable more students to take the course regardless of if it is safe or not.
> >
> > The most disqualifying factor for IANTD is it´s instructors though. Most
of them are
> > completely useless in my opinion.  Many of them especially in Europe are
the worst i
> > have seen, in many cases not even qualified to dive Trimix themselves but
yet they
> > carry trimix instructor trainer cards.  They got this in a sort of a
package deal
> > when they bought the franchise from IANTD, this is what i hear from very
reliable
> > sources. When you have this kind of instructors how do you expect the
students to
> > end up?  When not even Tom Mount can follow his own standards how do you
expect his
> > instructors to do that?  IANTD is doomed to failure...
> >
> > Adriaan_Haine@ce*.be* wrote:
> >
> > > Ingemar,
> > >
> > > Why should a diver with an advanced nitrox card NOT be qualified to do
normoxic
> > > trimix? What would you rather have, that he was a deep air diver first?
(Joke! )
> > >
> > > I suppose 100 dives is a bit on the slim side. But some divers learn more
in 100
> > > dives than other learn in 500 or a thousand.
> > >
> > > At the end of the day, perhaps the trainee should do a training dive (or
dives),
> > > accompanied by the instructor, so that the instructor can assess the
trainees
> > > readiness for any kind of 'serious' technical diving.
> > >
> > > Does the IANTD provide its instructors with the possibility to 'SAY NO' to
> > > divers wanting to do a course, after they failed to perform on a check
dive?
> > >
> > > Does GUE?
> > >
> > > NPNG
> > >
> > > Ingemar wrote:
> > >
> > > It says 100 dives and a adv nitrox card to be specific.  Ridiculous.
> > >
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