Ingemar

1. Our normoxic trimix has 100 dives and only allows dives on Normoxic
Trimix, it simply substitutes helium based and does not allow a a mix below
19% to be used in the course. This course has 6 dives plus the advanced eANx
requirement along with its dives

2. In order to use a trimix with less than 19% as in your case you refer to
16% in IANTD the diver is required to also have 200 dives plus be either a
Normoxic trimix diver or technical diver (technical cave /technical wreck)
and have 12 dives deeper than 130 (40m) then this course has an additional 6
dives with four trimix dives deeper than 160 (48m) and no dives deeper than
260 (78m)

Also bear in mind these programs have been around long before any other
agency was even teaching this stuff.

Just like GUE deep air below 130 is not required to do trimix. A diver may
opt to do technical diver (which does require 2 dives deeper than 130
feet(40m) and prohibits any dive deeper than 170 (51m)instead of Normoxic
trimix but either is accepted as a prerequisite for Trimix provided that
before doing trimix 12 dives are logged deeper than 130 (40m) if the diver
is Normoxic trimix then it is assumed all these will have been on trimix.

And no we have not lowered standards, instead we have actually increased the
standards in many areas. As far as skills in courses I recommend that those
of you who really want to know who has the most demanding skills program
simply go to everyone's web pages and compare the required skills. That will
tell you much more than peoples onions being expressed and I think it would
be a burden for all the agencies to post their training skills on tek diver.
I'm quite happy with the requirements IANTD has and gladly invite you to
compare our skill training with anyone else's. Also the instructor
requirements for teaching these programs.

In regard to adrains question. Yes the instructor can say no to a student,
and also IANTD standards state training is purchased, qualification is
earned. divers with unsafe attitudes (or skills) are not to be certified.

Tom Mount
CEO IANTD World HQ
http://www.iantd.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Ingemar Lundgren <ingemar.lundgren@mb*.sw*.se*>
To: <Adriaan_Haine@ce*.be*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: A question about training practices


100 dives are just not enough.  200 dives or more and previous experience
with
decompression diving is what is required in my opinion as an absolute
minimum. I do
absolutely NOT think that deep air should be required as a prerequisite.
Deep air
has no place in any diving course.  Look at GUE´s course program which i
think is a
lot better.

Level1 40m  max, oxygen decompression,  prerequisite 100 dives

Level2 60m max >16% o2 Trimix ,  prerequisite minimum 200 dives.  Also a lot
more
dives in the course than the IANTD normoxic program.

What i am saying is that IANTD is to commercial and have lowered the
standards to
enable more students to take the course regardless of if it is safe or not.

The most disqualifying factor for IANTD is it´s instructors though. Most of
them are
completely useless in my opinion.  Many of them especially in Europe are the
worst i
have seen, in many cases not even qualified to dive Trimix themselves but
yet they
carry trimix instructor trainer cards.  They got this in a sort of a package
deal
when they bought the franchise from IANTD, this is what i hear from very
reliable
sources. When you have this kind of instructors how do you expect the
students to
end up?  When not even Tom Mount can follow his own standards how do you
expect his
instructors to do that?  IANTD is doomed to failure...


Adriaan_Haine@ce*.be* wrote:

> Ingemar,
>
> Why should a diver with an advanced nitrox card NOT be qualified to do
normoxic
> trimix? What would you rather have, that he was a deep air diver first?
(Joke! )
>
> I suppose 100 dives is a bit on the slim side. But some divers learn more
in 100
> dives than other learn in 500 or a thousand.
>
> At the end of the day, perhaps the trainee should do a training dive (or
dives),
> accompanied by the instructor, so that the instructor can assess the
trainees
> readiness for any kind of 'serious' technical diving.
>
> Does the IANTD provide its instructors with the possibility to 'SAY NO' to
> divers wanting to do a course, after they failed to perform on a check
dive?
>
> Does GUE?
>
> NPNG
>
> Ingemar wrote:
>
> It says 100 dives and a adv nitrox card to be specific.  Ridiculous.
>
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