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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:30:02 -0400
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
CC: "Buxton, Greg" <gb@th*.co*.uk*>,
     "Kate Leigh (E-mail)" ,
     "Mr Innes McCartney (E-mail)" ,
     "Dr Geraint Ffoulkes-Jones (E-mail)" ,
     Tech Diver
Subject: Re: Hello!
Jim, who is the obeseophile that schtupped the two fat slobs? I think
you have to be realistic here : anyone who would do that is not exactly
concerned about their kit.

What is it with diving , anyway?

Jim Cobb wrote:
> 
> The gear configurations that are shown on the Luistania web site are
> ridiculous. I used to gear up this way and changed over once I tried the
> DIR system.
> 
> I am sick and tired of idiots like you guys sitting in your ancient
> configs, poo pooing any kind of innovation other than what you think is
> the only way. So tell me, Greg, have you tried a DIR configuration? Have
> you given the slightest effort in checking it out? Hell, no, and
> butt-heads like you never will.
> 
> Lets look at some of the finer points. Suicide clips. Greg, please come
> up with one good reason to use these death traps other than abject
> stupidity. Even the dumbest stroke over on this side of the pond knows
> these things are no good, yet you guys are festooned with them from head
> to toe. Not only suicide clips but I can see about a dozen different
> styles of carabiners all over the damn place. Ever heard of
> standardization? Hell, no.
> 
> Stage bottles. Can't you guys see that you are dragging your stages
> through the water sideways? If you get in a bind (oh, I don't know, maybe
> a bit of rope caught in your stupid suicide clips) how are you going to
> cut away the stage when you are using metal-to-metal connections? Can't
> you people see how stupid that is?
> 
> The pony between the tanks. Fellows, How can you wreck dive with that
> tank out there? How do you get at it? How do you keep it from hitting
> stuff and catching every single fishing line and net line in creation? I
> know one way, just do a bounce dive, reach down and touch the wreck then
> head back up the anchor line as fast as your bungee stuporwings can drag
> your ass up to the surface. This might explain why you guys are getting
> bent on almost every dive.
> 
> Hoses. There is one picture I counted on a set of doubles, 2 HP and 5 LP
> hoses. What on earth do you need all these hoses for? What is the one
> piece of equipment most likely to break on your kit? Yes! The hoses! And,
> class, when you add more failure points, what do you get? Yes! More
> failures!!
> 
> And on and on... Do you see where I am coming from, Greg, this is
> fundamental OBVIOUS stuff, why can't you guys pull your heads out of your
> collective asses and see this?
> 
> My favorite picture is the one of Chris Hutchison on the team members
> page, this is the best picture of classic DIN I have ever seen. Eh, whats
> that, what DIN valve? NO, thats Doom Induced Nausea, and this guy has
> "I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die" written all over his face.
> When are you SOB's going to realize that a simplified, streamlined DIR
> rig eliminates Doom Induced Nausea? It really improves your dive, trust
> me.
> 
> I have seen diver after diver try out the precepts of DIR and toss their
> stroke rigs as soon as they try it out. No, it's not the DIR people who
> are pig-headed, it's you old-timers who don't have a clue. I sincerely
> wish you guys the best of luck as you are going to need it.
> 
> And don't give me any more crap about DIR until you try it. If you have
> not tried it then I don't care to hear any more of your pompous whining.
> 
>    Jim
> 
> Sender: Buxton, Greg  Date: 9/17/99 5:24 AM
> 
> >Just read some of your comments about the Luistania dive team.
> >Frankly they are offensive.
> >We are all curious to know how many sub 80m wrecks you and your DIR chums
> >find, dive, and recover bells, helms, steam whistles, portholes, telegraphs
> >etc from......
> >Oh No! pillage and piracy.... Desecration of the sea.....
> >Why not pop over for a weeks deep wrecking in the UK. Perhaps your view
> >would be that the diving we do is too dangerous?
> >
> >Your assumption that your method of diving is "Right" is the source of no
> >end of humour here. We don't argue that it is OK and probably one of the
> >better rigs for cave diving. Friends in the CDG would be only too happy to
> >take you on a few trips if you came over.
> >UK wreckers have been plundering the depths for Spidge for decades before
> >DIR were out of nappies, and will continue to do so long after you, I and
> >DIR have hung up our fins.
> >
> >Equipment rigging is important but will never save your life. That is done
> >by you and your mental state. Bad rigging can undoubtedly contribute to the
> >reduction in good reaction to stress. We do hundreds of dives each year with
> >identical riggs with NO incidents. I can't tell you to like what we do, but
> >you should respect the achievements as we do of any diver, DIR or not.
> >
> >Your insulting comments are not really worth the effort of comment but you
> >do yourself and DIR no service in displaying this childish behaviour. Grow
> >up and get on and dive. I don't give a toss if you do it right, wrong or not
> >at all. The idea is to have fun. It isn't a competition, which is just as
> >well.
> >
> >Perhaps we shall meet at DEMA?
> >
> >Safe diving
> >
> >Regards
> >Greg Buxton - Starfish Diver
> >Tel    +44 (0) 121 555 4518
> >Fax    +44 (0) 121 555 4626
> >Home   +44 (0) 121 449 5371
> >Mobile 07803 723545
> >
> >
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