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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:14:30 -0400
To: John Thornton <John@sc*.co*>
CC: "innes@di*.pi*.co*" <xah40@po*.di*.pi*.co*>, MrClark95@ao*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: "Cave Diving Scum Asshole"???
John, I am not talking about my main presentation where one of your dumb
f buddies called in bomb threats and pulled the fire alarm - all that
did was give me even more attention, cut Hanns Hass' presentation way
down, and actually extend mine, nor about the gear session I held for
anyone who wanted to attend, but about the party you all held at the
hotel before we all had dinner together where we all had ample time and
friendly conditions under which to discuss any of thes items. 

The truth is that I did not need to, Chirs Hellas and others did the
explaining ( not all Brits are comited strokes). My presentation was as
the BASAC wanted, and was well done. You guys put together something
like that and then cirticize me.

The Secret Service people are just friends hwo happend to be there,
nothing to do with me. I do not need protection, people need protection
from me.

It takes a lot more than bomb threats to stop me from showing the
obvious, no matter how bad it makes all of you look.

John Thornton wrote:
> 
> George
> 
> You were so much stuck up your own cave divers threat to the WKPP and
> thoughts about sabotage to your talk that a two min talk would have
> meant a week of security for a guy that wasnt even threatened. If you
> cant talk straight then dont bother.
> 
> Disappointed
> 
> John
> 
> In message <37E8D56A.A4F@sa*.ne*>, kirvine@sa*.ne* writes
> >John, do you really believe I do not know anything about rebreathers?
> >Give me a break. We use a system that works for our whole team with no
> >excuses or problems, integrates with DIR perfectly, and is so simple as
> >to be the obvious choice for real diving - we are not trying to impress
> >anyone with our "techieness", and as a result, we have the track record
> >to go with our choice, and so do the Cis Lunar and Inspiration crowds.
> >
> >The fact is that every manufacuter of every gimmick on this planet has
> >tired to get me to dive their rig, and until Jack Kellon came along I
> >did nothing but try them in a pool as a courtesy before coming to the
> >obvious conclusion that has been proven correct by the track reocrd of
> >thes devices and those who use them.
> >
> >No thanks.
> >
> >You do not understand a thing of our system, as evidenced by your
> >preoccupation with bottles being on one side. We have been over and over
> >that, and the simple version of the answer is that you again need to go
> >back and look at the entire system, and stop trying to nitpick it with
> >your incomplete vision of it. You might also try using the right
> >bottles, instead of boat anchors for stages and deco gas. The only way
> >we identify gas is with the MOD, and it makes no difference whether it
> >is meters or feet, we do not put anything but mod on the bottle and that
> >is that - no confusion there. We do not dive with strokes who do
> >otherwise.
> >
> >Redundant deco gas? Give me a break. We dive as teams, tough guy, and we
> >also know the deco alternatives, and recognize the way to deco out on
> >what we have available, and do not do ocean exposures that require
> >massive obligatory deco. If we did, we would have safety divers and
> >extra gas on the boat.
> >
> >John, by now one would think that the reality or what we have done and
> >what influence we are having wotul be sinking in with some of you -
> >clearly it is not.
> >
> >You should have brought up some of this silliness with me when I was
> >over there last - we could have had you straightened out in a matter of
> >minutes.
> >
> >
> >John Thornton wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi George
> >>
> >> Glad to see you still respond to this stuff.
> >> >John, CCR has nothing to do with it - I am talking the gear sloppery.
> >> >Sure, if I have to rebreather dive, I use a mechanical and dive with a
> >
> >
> >
> 
> john thornton          web page http://www.scapaflow.com
> 
> iantd trimix instructor,      skipper/owner "Karin"
> inspiration instructor
> 
> polrudden house               tel.01856 874761
> peerie sea loan               fax 01856 870950
> kirkwall
> orkney kw15 1uh


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