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George, deep breathes! Drifting down by you is fine when you're drifting along a 100 mile long wall. The current takes you along it. You're probably scootering cause you're traveling a great distance too in a strong current. We're talking about staying within a confined area when a current may be present. You're group of divers pretty much stays in the same area cause the current is pushing you along. Many people up here don't use scooters for traveling because the wrecks are only so big. You can use one to swim to a spot then drop it but personally I usually just swim the couple hundred feet to were I want to be and leave the scooter on the boat. I usually go slow since I'm looking for things Are you trying to say on a wreck where the wreckage is say within an 800 by 75 foot area that it's best to drop the divers in and have the boat drift at a distance keeping relatively close waiting for divers to pop up? Can we please stay focused here? We're not talking about reefs in the NE, we just don't have them. We have wrecks that are finite areas on a desert of sand (or mud) at the bottom of a vast ocean. I apologize to having to re-ask the question but I just can't seem to follow your line of thinking. We're talking wreck diving here, not drift diving. When you wreck dive down there, does the boat anchor in? Do any of the people come up the anchor line or an ascent line? We're not talking about teaching navigation here so please let's not talk about this subject. What should you do if you are nowhere near the anchor line and need to start your ascent? If the boat is drifting then I guess I can see your point or drifting while ascending. Odds are the boat and divers are all moving at relatively the same rate. If the boat is anchored then I'm missing why ascending while drifting is safer than ascending on an up-line of some kind. We need to stick to the questions asked and stop rattling and ranting. I really want to understand this as I'm sure others do too. You're talking like we're mind readers. Please try and make your points and stop with the bashing. No one here has made any mention about Air diving, decompressing on 80/20, etc. Why do you bring it up? Seems just another chance for you to rant about this. Although this is a very good topic to cover it's just a little difficult to follow the main topic when you're jumping all over the place and calling names. If we are to learn anything we need to stick to one topic and solve that first before moving on. Art. P.S. Simply stating someone is wrong or calling them a stroke is not an answer to the question at hand. -----Original Message----- From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 12:59 PM To: Scaleworks@ao*.co* Cc: ststev@un*.co*; Paltz, Art; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: Jersey NJerk Reel Again, what happens when .....etc. The boat needs to be free, not jerking up and down with fat slobs gripping the anchor line decoing their titties off. An ascent lihne - as in uno, one, a single freaking line, oh ,but wait,I forgot, you guys can't use compasses, current, etc. to navigate, and we all know that to try to teach any of you higher order concepts like port an starboard , bow and stern, the fact that a ship under water is still a ship while you are sucking air or strokemix is out of the question, that expecting a bunch of ponitificating know it alls to actually plan out their dives and stagger them is out of the question, to expect there to be safety dives or crew to check on the decompressing divers is out of the question, and to do anything that makes any sense what-so-ever by is out of the question. This is why you guys dive up there and we do not. This is why so many people who do make the mistake of going there get killed - you guys just do not kave a single clue about the simplest things. Forget the diving, we have not even gotten to that yet. What do you guys do when you go into a building or ride a subway - do you dial 911 and have the fire department come get your retarded asses out with a helicopter, or do yo carry a parachute and just jump out the window? This is the stupidest nonsense I have ever heard of. I still am trying to figure out how we dive all over the Bahamas, in places where you can not see land from a tuna tower if it had the Trade Center on it, on reefs and walls as that run for hundreds of miles, in ripping REAL currents, not the bullshit winddrift you strokes are lying about, and don't seem to have the clsuterfucks that you guys have on a regular basis. The Jersey Jerk Reel is an accomodation to air diving, stupidity, strokery, screwups and is a monument to institutionalized clusterfucks, which is the specialty of New England Wreck diving , where clusterfuck is the norm. Scaleworks@ao*.co* wrote: > > In a message dated 99-08-28 08:49:11 EDT, kirvine@sa*.ne* writes: > > << > You guys are so one dimensional. What happens when somebody breaks away > their jersey stroke reel for whatever reason? You guys have nothing but > personal prefrerence free for alls going on up there, and that is why it > is so dangerous. > >> > > George, > > This is not personal preference, this is SOP for the NE, a bag and emergency > ascent line are required by almost all boats. This procedure is the sole > reason that we do not have dive boats chasing divers all over the ocean while > others are still on the anchor line. The diver is on the wreck, and is easily > retrieved by a float and rescue swimmer if need be. If the diver uses this > procedure, the dive boat will not need to be detatched from the mooring for > any reason. Only when a stroke/personal preference > diver is on baord, and does a free ascent, is there a problem, then the crew > acts accordingly, the entire procedure was outlined in a post by Captain > Janet a few months ago, and is extremely effective. > > Kevin -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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