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From: "Grant Jones" <grant@ow*.fr*.co*.uk*>
To: "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <bdi@wh*.ne*>
Subject: Re: Sick of bullshit artists
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:59:54 +0100


billy wrote:

>Let me get this straight: The guys asked you
>about bungy wings and valves. They were afraid
>to ask the questions but you aren't.
>
>SO you got on the list and instead of asking the
>questions about bungy wings, you immediately
>started behaving like some self-righteous prat,
>and without bothering to understand it, you've
>been attacking George's debating style ever since.
>If you're only here to learn, why didn't you just
>ask the questions about the wings and the valves?

    As I said to the person who asked me, I don't know the answer, go and
ask george. I'm not on this list to ask questions for other people


>Anyway, tell them to check the archives. Tell
>them to get on here and ask. Asking questions
>doesn't generate flaming. Promoting stupidity
>sometimes does.

    If you read my post, then you would have seen that I did that......

>
>Tell them to check out Jim Cobb's Trimix page.
>
>Tell them to do what I did when I first got
>on the list, and what most people do - to lurk
>for a while 'till they understand the 'ambience'
>of the list. It's a courtesy which, I note, you
>couldn't be botheres with.

    I *lurked* for over a year, and still don't understand the - what do you
call it - ambience

>
>>>
>>>>    My first post on this thread, was about your master, crowing over
the
>>>>death of a diver, who died on the dorria, insults wont help that man nor
>>his
>>>>family, so why bother???, surly better to educate people, so they don't
>>end
>>>>up the same.
>>>
>>>If you're talking about George here, then he didn't
>>>insult the dead man. Go back and read it again.
>>
>>    He called the guy a *stroke*
>
>The guy was a stroke. It's an observation, not an insult.
>I was a stroke, my buddy was a stroke. When my buddy
>reverts to being a stroke occasionally, I have to
>point it out. As I would expect him to point out my
>strokism to me. Most divers who die diving are strokes.

>
>Regarding your 'little Lawrence' remark. Is Lawrence
>'little' because he disagrees with you? That comment says more
>about you than Lawrence.

    As I'm 6' 5", then I was assuming that lawrence is smaller (or littler)
than me, It was no slurr on lawrence at all, I leave that job to your selfs.

>
>And as far as 'guessing' goes, you're out there in
>public with your own bullshit showing. Your lack of
>integrity is visible to all. You even lie again, quite
>blatantly, in this email.

    Wheres the lie?

>>
>>>
>>>>    *prevent other from learning* - for every one of your and your
>>childish
>>>>gangs posts, I get three, telling me they agree with what im saying, and
>>are
>>>>scared to post, incase they get flamed -
>>>
>>>Pleas forward them to me to prove the truth of what
>>>you are saying, since I can't trust you to be honest
>>>about this, any more than about your motives for
>>>posting to the list.
>>
>>    I've suggested they contact irvine direct off list, this guy has given
>>me permission to post this one:
>>>Dear Grant,
>>I have dive rite gear and OMS gear.
>>Short of throwing the OMS twin bladder wings in the trash.
>>I their a reasonable way of modifying them?
>>Cut off the bungies?
>>I hear Oceanic over here in Australia are swapping the dive-rite agency
for
>>OMS.
>>Any constructive comments.
>>Thank you in advance,
>>Jeff Swann
>>Darwin Australia.
>
>Grant, you are a hopeless liar. Jeff isn't afraid of posting
>to the list, he sent that email to the techdiver list as quoted
>below, (without the bullshit 'Dear Grant' line. (And notice,
>he didn't get flamed). Not only that, I live in Australia too.
>Jeff and I are both CDAA members. We've corresponded about the
>wings. In fact Jeff, Jim Cobb and I have had a three-way
>discussion about them.

    OK, First check out the time stamp, when I got it, it wasn't on the
list, nor was it cc to the list, so i assumed it was only posted to myself,
then ask Jeff, if he did send it to me (you didn't ask him before you wrote
this did you?), I'll be expecting your apology.....


>Caught red handed, Grant.

    Ask the guy, then come back........

    Grant




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