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From: "Andrew" <andrewg@fi*.co*>
To: <techdiver@Aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Now Congress is involved (was Doria Count?)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:45:57 -0700
Thanks to strokes we are now F... ed.

Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
To: Kent Lind <klind@al*.ne*>
Cc: <techdiver@Aquanaut.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Now Congress is involved (was Doria Count?)


>This is completely lame.  We're screwed.
>
>
>At 12:39 PM 8/4/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>>If you folks don't think this problem has totally spiraled out of control,
>>read
>>the following article.  George was completely right on this one.
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>Rep. William Delahunt will review the string of fatalities and consider
>>solutions.
>>Cape Cod Times 7-30-99
>>It may take an act of Congress, but Coast Guard officials and several
highly
>>trained, experienced divers all agree that something must be done to stop
>>the dying at the Andrea Doria shipwreck.
>>In the wake of the second diver fatality in a week on Wednesday, and the
>>fifth in 13 months, a senior aide to Rep. William Delahunt, D-Mass., said
>>the congressman will take a hard look at the situation to see what needs
to
>>be done.
>>"People are dying. It ought to be a pretty loud wake-up call to get the
>>facts and move quickly to make recommendations on how to address the
>>problem," said Steve Schwadron.
>>"Obviously the Coast Guard has plenty to do, and we don't want to force
new
>>missions on an already-overburdened Coast Guard, at least without giving
>>them the resources.
>>"But the overriding mission of the Coast Guard is public safety on the
seas,
>>and there is not much question that we need to act quickly to find out
what
>>is going on," he said in an interview yesterday.
>>Delahunt, as co-chairman and founder of the Congressional Coast Guard
>>Caucus, is in an ideal position to guide an inquiry.
>>Diving on the Andrea Doria is considered extremely difficult, and is
called
>>"technical" diving because of the advanced training required.
>>Nevertheless, experienced divers have said they think some who make the
dive
>>on the Andrea Doria are not adequately prepared.
>>"I think the diving technology is beyond the physicial and mental
>>capabilities of many of these divers," said Robert Higgins, a former
>>commercial diver familiar with dives over 200 feet. Higgins is a civilian
>>with the Coast Guard's Boston headquarters who is compiling data on diver
>>fatalities.
>>Other technical divers agreed, but focused their concerns on the lack of
>>regulations for "recreational" divers, those who even with an advanced
>>certification are not supposed to dive deeper than 130 feet.
>>Currently there are no federal regulations controlling certification
>>requirements for recreational divers.
>>The basic certification program consists of classroom instruction, pool
>>practice, and open water diving.
>>But the actual time involved can range from a weekend for a "resort"
>>certification for a group to more than 30 hours at more rigorous training
>>programs with one-on-one attention.
>>"What needs to happen is that the (dive) training agencies need to be held
>>accountable. The industry is out of control," fumed technical diver and
dive
>>shop owner Don Stevens, of Rye, N.H., owner of Atlantic Aqua Sport.
>>Michael Manfredi, a technical diver and owner of Aquarius Diving Center in
>>Buzzards Bay, recommended against the short certification course, because
it
>>does not give the student enough experience with the water or the array of
>>gear a diver relies on beneath the surface.
>>But he also expressed concerns about the skills of some technical divers.
>>"My biggest concern is that there are a lot of inexperienced divers out
>>there. I'm not saying they all are, but some who died should not have been
>>out there," he said.
>>The latest victim of the Andrea Doria was 52-year-old Charles J. McGurr,
of
>>Bricktown, N.J.
>>He failed to surface from a 245-feet dive to the wreck of the Italian
luxury
>>liner, which sank in 1956 following a collision with the Swedish liner
>>Stockholm on a foggy night about 45 miles south of Nantucket.
>>The Suffolk County Medical Examiner's office was to conduct an autopsy to
>>determine cause of death, but no information was available yesterday.
>>McGurr's body was recovered 180-feet down by Daniel Crowell, owner and
>>skipper of the dive charter boat Seeker out of Montauk, Long Island.
>>Another diver died last week after he had made one dive to the wreck, and
>>was about to make another when he suffered an apparent heart attack.
>>Both divers were on the Seeker, which was also the charter boat which
>>carried three of last year's Andrea Doria diving accident victims.
>>Crowell has been the owner and skipper since 1994. Under a previous owner
>>there were nine other diving deaths, although no information was available
>>on which wrecks were involved.
>>Efforts to get comparison information on other fatalities involving other
>>charter boats were not successful yesterday. Officials with the Diver
Alert
>>Network in North Carolina did not return telephone messages.
>>Stevens and other technical divers who have dived on the Andrea Doria off
>>the Seeker praised Crowell and his crew as being top notch.
>>"Dan, he's the best," said Stevens.
>>The Seeker is one of several charter vessels bringing divers to
shipwrecks.
>>Among other things, the Seeker requires divers fill out a two-page waiver
>>and have it notarized. The waiver explicitly asks if divers are familiar
>>with deep dives in excess of 130-feet, and if they know the dangers
>>involved.
>>Diving on the Andrea Doria is difficult for a variety of reasons,
including
>>extreme depths, pressure and decompression requirements, underwater
>>currents, poor visibility, and the danger of becoming trapped or lost
inside
>>the wreck.
>>Because of the degree of difficulty, only divers who have completed a
>>rigorous technical diving training program can make such difficult dives.
>>And then, qualified divers may elect to become certified to use a special
>>gas mixture for deep diving, which reduces some risks associated with
using
>>regular air under pressure.
>>Both divers who lost their lives this year were technical divers and had
the
>>"Trimix" certification for the gas mixture, something the Seeker requires.
>>Nevertheless, they died.
>>"Once a diver is in the water, it's all up to the diver. You can have the
>>best trained crew, provide a solid briefing, talk yourself blue in the
>>face," said Eric Takakjian, of Yarmouthport, a technical diver who has
dived
>>on the Andrea Doria and other deep-water wrecks.
>>"When that head goes below the surface, they are going to do what they
want
>>to do. It's up to them," he said.
>>Takakjian said that what is happening now at the Andrea Doria is similar
to
>>what has been happening at Mt. Everest, where some people not qualified to
>>make the ascent are paying huge sums to join expeditions.
>>"I'm afraid so, that's what's happening with the Doria. And there's no way
>>to stop it," he said.
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