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To: bmk <bmk@ds*.bc*.ca*>
Subject: Re: Rebreather cost
From: Steve Millard <ec96@li*.ac*.uk*>
Cc: techdiver@opal.com
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 10:07:51 GMT
Hi Barrie,


On Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:31:59 -0800 bmk wrote:


> 
> >My understanding is that most of the rebreathers use triple redundant O2
> >sensors. If these are the same type as used in O2 meters (E.G: miniox), then
> >this could become a significant cost. Here in Oz, a Miniox sensor retails at
> >around $A200. Apparently they last a year or so if used frequently. Hence you
> >may be looking at upwards of $A600 / year in oxygen sensors alone!
> 
> The documentation for the Biomarine Seapack 1000 states that it uses 3
> sensors which have a life span of 6 months.  Hence your cost might be
> $A1200/Year! 


	I don't think life is *quite* that bad.  At a dive show in the UK in '94 
I reported :

        - Vandagraph Ltd displayed a neat, splash-proof oxygen analyser selling 
at  195 pounds UK ($US 300), in a rugged carry case.  The sensor lifetime of 4 
years is expected in air.  
	A trimix analyser is being developed, but I have no idea how this might 
work.  Try giving a call if you are interested  Tel. 0535-634900,  
fax  0535-635582. (For international calls, remove the 1st zero and replace
with 
44)

	Of the $US 300 total cost, I think the sensor was in the order of 
$60-$80 replacement cost.  It had a guaranteed lifetime of 2 years, but was 
usually expected to last about 4 years with continual exposure to air.

	The costs of scrubber, disinfectant & other running expenses...oxygen, 
helium etc I couldn't guess right now...but I'll have a better idea after the 
Cis-Lunar course in early January.

	As an aside, I got two quite different opinions regarding the mix to be 
used in a fully closed-circuit rebreather during disscusions @ the Diving 
Officers Conference earlier this month.  When talking to Oceanic about their 
'Phibian' rebreather I asked about the conversion from nitrox to other mixed 
gasses & without really thinking spoke of using trimix as the diluent.  Oceanic 
quickly replied that the diluent was going to be a "breathable heliox" & that 
there was no point in putting nitrogen into the diluent ...as you were not 
trying to save costs on a small volume of gas that was recycled.  A quite 
different view was put by Rob Palmer & Dorset Diving.  They said that you 
*would* want to use Trimix as the diluent because this would result in 
*significantly* shorter decompression times.

	As I'm not yet diving on either gas mix, I couldn't comment sensibly.  
Has anyone else got a comment ?  How do deco times work out using open circuit 
trimix or heliox (never mind the cost...) for a comparable dive ?  If trimix 
does work out shorter deco times, would the same conclusions be true for a 
constant ppO2 closed-circuit dive ? (What I'm really asking is for someone with 
a copy of 'Pro-plan', 'Abyss', 'Decom', 'Dr X' etc to run a few trial dives & 
see what answers it gives.  

	Anyone got any spare time whilst the rubbish tv progammes are on 'the 
box' over Xmas ??

> 
> 
> 
> 

     Regards, Steve M.

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