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Joel,

Don't really want to start a back and forth email fight (hope that's not
what it is).  There are other emergencies other than out of gas.
Someone could be spooked, feel sick, etc.  There are other reasons why
people shoot bags when there is no emergency.  I typically try and bring
the artifacts up with me.  If I know I'll be shooting a bag for an
artifact I'll being my hemp spool.

Yes as indicated I try it a few times a year for practice.  Usually I'll
do this when it's not the greatest of wrecks.  I'll let them know that I
might shoot a bag and to just leave it there as I'm most likely on it,
it's marked with my name.

I think the whole point here is in an emergency.  We agree 100% to do
whatever means is easiest and lest problematic to get back on board
safely.  Not that I'm an environmentalist (not by a long shot, where are
those disposable diapers damit!) but I don't think leaving nylon line
strewed around the wrecks unnecessarily is a good idea.  Stays there
until someone removes it.  There's enough stuff to get tangled in
without the help of additional nylon rope.  I don't know if adding to it
is a "better way of doing it.

Art.

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Joel Silverstein
[mailto:joelsilverstein@wo*.at*.ne*]
		Sent:	Wednesday, May 12, 1999 1:51 PM
		To:	Paltz, Art; ajmurphy@sn*.ne*; Mailing Tech
Diver List (E-mail)
		Subject:	RE: Jersey ascent line ???

		It's only an emergency if you have no gas left ---- and
if thats the case
		-- just leave the stupid thing there and get your ass
up. 

		As to using it -- sure I have you don't think I would
comment on something
		I have not tried do you? 

		I tried it on ten dives in 1990 -- it was convolution
then as it is today.
		IF some still want to use it, well.... there are really
better choices. 

		regards 
		Joel
		 


		At 01:44 PM 5/12/1999 -0400, Paltz, Art wrote:
		>Have you ever tried it?  It's not nearly as hard as you
make it sound.
		>Like I said, in an emergency you tie it off, read the
post again Joel.
		>If for some reason you can't find the hook it's not
that big of a deal.
		>If you're panicked then tie and cut.  If you're
stressed then tie it off
		>and cut, I think these all fall under an emergency
situation which I
		>addressed in the initial post.  Really depends on the
situation.  I
		>usually do a few training bags a year and I don't tie
them off.  If
		>you're going to tie it off each time you shoot a bag
then maybe you
		>should be carrying Hemp....
		>
		>Art.
		>
		>
		>		-----Original Message-----
		>		From:	Joel Silverstein
		>[mailto:joelsilverstein@wo*.at*.ne*]
		>		Sent:	Wednesday, May 12, 1999 10:54 AM
		>		To:	Paltz, Art; ajmurphy@sn*.ne*;
Mailing Tech
		>Diver List (E-mail)
		>		Subject:	RE: Jersey ascent line
???
		>
		>		At 09:25 AM 5/12/1999 -0400, Paltz, Art
wrote:
		>		>Contact Trader John.  He's got small SS
ones with 250'
		>of nylon line.
		>		>Problem with nylon line is that it
doesn't rot away
		>like sisal (SP?).
		>		>With 250' of nylon you can loop it
around a bar or
		>friendly piece of
		>		>wreckage.  You can then hold the spool
and go up.
		>Basically you use
		>		>twice as much line but you can recover
it and not
		>litter the wreck.
		>		>Naturally in a real emergency you'd
apologies to the
		>environment and
		>		>just shoot the bag and tie it off and
not worry about
		>it.
		>		>
		>
		>		Geeeez ------ 
		>
		>		Art -- if one is going to use this
convolution at least
		>try not to strangle
		>		yourself with it -- please .... you
shoot the bag -- you
		>tie off the line
		>		-- you cut the reel from the line -- you
clip that big
		>hunk of junk back on
		>		and you go up the line --- you do your
stops -- you get
		>to the surface you
		>		pray the boat saw your little lift bag
-- if now you
		>whip out your little
		>		safety sausage and wave that a bit then
you fire off
		>your dive alert --- if
		>		you still have no attention you take out
your safety
		>flares and blow them
		>		off --- ........
		>
		>		now do you reallly want to be worrying
about the line
		>being recovered .....
		>
		>		Do it right or dont do it at all.
		>
		>		regards 
		>		jds 
		>
		>
		>
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